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How Can We Ever Get Back to The Autographs
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Doug891512

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May 30, 2026 - 10:24 pm

Hi

I am frustrated by the fact that no matter what scholars attempt to do we will never know what the original gospels or letters of Paul said. The delicate tracing through manuscripts, church fathers and finally the bursting on the scene of the Codex Sinaiticus will never satisfy me. I would love some comments to prove me wrong.

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Doug

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Robert
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Doug891512

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June 2, 2026 - 9:26 pm

Thanks Robert

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June 5, 2026 - 2:06 pm

Everything Robert said. 

But a couple of further pessimistic thoughts, with respect to the Gospels more than the Paulines:

It isn’t even clear to me that there was a single autograph. Even today, works can go through multiple editions (there may be several versions an author circulates privately as he continues to work on it, versions which sometimes circulate quite widely; then there are sometimes even multiple “final”, printed editions). 

Adding to that is the more general question, Who is the author? Who is a redactor (does he count as an author)? Who is just a scribe taking liberties? I think it is common to recognize, especially in some of the gospels, that there are sometimes several voices at work or several layers in the text (John and Luke are prime examples). 

All the evidence suggests that the earlier we go, the less reliable transmission was and the freer people were with changing the text. And the earliest period is precisely where we have the fewest data. Thus when the texts were most in flux is when we have no direct view of the process. Indeed it seems that in the earliest stages the texts were, one might say, living documents.

So not only is it not clear how we could recover the pristine original with the data we have, it isn’t even clear that there is a single pristine original to recover. 

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BJH1960

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June 7, 2026 - 2:52 am

Yes, a communal dimension, the text being a conversation among different audiences.

I read something the night before last in David Clines’ ** you do not have permission to see this link ** on Job that is relevant but instead of posting it here, it might be better as part of a new thread either on Job, which I’ve been considering, or more likely one that talks about the reception, interpretation, adaptation, and perhaps translation of texts.

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