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Rome Invented Christianity Part 2
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Steefen
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January 2, 2025 - 12:02 am

Eusebius 260 CE to 339 CE

Constantine, 272 to 337 CE

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Steefen
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January 2, 2025 - 12:07 am

So, the video presents events how the Lady caught in Adultery could be added later.

Google AI said:

The story of the woman caught in adultery, also known as the Pericope Adulterae, first appeared in manuscripts in the 4th or 5th century. However, the story likely circulated orally or in a noncanonical source before it was included in some copies of the Gospel of John.

The earliest and most reliable manuscripts, such as Papyrus 66 and Papyrus 75, do not include the story. The oldest complete copy of the New Testament, Codex Sinaiticus, also does not include it.

pick up at 16:43 of 27 and a half minutes

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Stephen
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January 2, 2025 - 10:50 am

This kind of conspiracy thinking still seems silly to me.

The much more important and interesting story is how essential Greek philosophy was to the development of Christianity as an organized body of belief.

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Steefen
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January 2, 2025 - 5:25 pm

There is nothing silly here.

If you want a thread more important, start one.

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Steefen
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January 2, 2025 - 5:30 pm

Google AI says:

Yes, Eusebius of Caesarea worked with Constantine I, the first Roman emperor to convert to Christianity:

Close adviser
Eusebius was a close adviser to Constantine and served as the court bishop during his reign.

Biography
Eusebius wrote a biography of Constantine, which is considered the most important record of Constantine’s life. In the biography, Eusebius uses the story of Constantine to defend Christianity and preach its benefits. For example, Eusebius claims that Constantine saw a sign of the cross in the sky before a battle, and that Christ visited him in a dream to give him a battle strategy.
Council of Nicaea
Eusebius was called upon to present the creed of his church at the Council of Nicaea in 325.
Favor
Eusebius enjoyed the favor of Constantine. Scholars have described their relationship as evolving, with Constantine learning to respect Eusebius’s political and academic skills.

Eusebius is known as the “father of Christian history” for his works, which include Preparation for the Gospel, On Discrepancies Between the Gospels, Ecclesiastical History, and Life of Constantine.

Univ of CA Press – Constantine and Eusebius in Antioch

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Steefen
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January 2, 2025 - 5:31 pm

Constantine and Eusebius must have had 1-on-1 meetings.

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Steefen
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January 2, 2025 - 7:44 pm

Let’s add Dobyn Walsh to this conversation.
with How Rome Seeded a Viral Global Religion / The DemystifySci Podcast YouTube Channel

Steve Campbell, Competent Communicator / Toastmasters

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Steefen
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January 3, 2025 - 12:31 am

Comment 1 Video beginning at 19:45

Ultraviolet light tests conducted in the 1930s revealed multiple layers of edits, with at least nine different scribes making alterations over time.
Passages inserted centuries later were marked with asterisks to denote their questionable authenticity.

While the church has historically denied allegations of fabrication, certain admissions undermine its claims of divine inspiration. The Catholic Encyclopedia concedes that the gospels were written anonymously and only later attributed to specific apostles. This admission calls into question the credibility of the New Testament as a firsthand account. The church acknowledges that significant portions of the NT, including the resurrection narrative in Mark, were later additions. These fabrications are nonetheless presented as foundational truths in modern doctrine.

The church’s efforts to control its narrative have profound consequences. By admitting to alterations and fabrications, the church undermines its claim to divine authority.

! ! ! The destruction of alternative texts and the fabrication of historical records obscure the true origins of Christianity. The deliberate suppression of evidences raises ethical questions about the church’s role in shaping belief systems. As evidence mounts that early Christian texts were fabricated or heavily edited, the character of Jesus Christ emerges not as a historical figure but as a composite allegory.

Steefen:
allegory: a story that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral one.
Pilgrim’s Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey.

Jesus a a composite character of historical fiction.
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Jesus Christ is a composite allegory.
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Jesus is a composite character of historical fiction, a composite allegory.

Oh yes, we know from the studies of Marcion, for sure, the gospel of Luke MUST HAVE been edited to get it to the gospel of Luke we have today.

With the gospel of John being different from the synoptic gospels, events in the historical Jesus’ life were INVENTED.

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January 3, 2025 - 3:08 pm

The video continues

Passages from Hymn to Zeus by the Greek philosopher Cleanthes are echoed in the NT.

Steefen, Toastmasters Competent Communicator
Chat,
What is the Hymn to Zeus by Greek philosopher Cleanthes?

Chat said:

The Hymn to Zeus by the Greek Stoic philosopher Cleanthes (c. 330–230 BCE) is one of the most famous expressions of Stoic theology and cosmology. It praises Zeus as the supreme deity and logos (reason) that governs the universe, emphasizing the Stoic belief in the unity and rationality of all existence.

The hymn reflects key Stoic ideas, such as the interconnectedness of all things, the rational order of the cosmos, and the ethical imperative for humans to align themselves with this order. Cleanthes describes Zeus as both a personal deity and an impersonal force—the guiding principle of the universe.
Key Themes and Structure

Praise of Zeus: The hymn begins by exalting Zeus as the highest power, responsible for the harmony and order of the cosmos.
Unity of the Cosmos: It highlights the Stoic idea that all parts of the universe are interconnected and governed by a single rational principle (logos).
Human Responsibility: Humans are urged to recognize and align themselves with the divine order, living in harmony with nature and reason.
Rebuke of Wickedness: Cleanthes criticizes those who resist this natural order and live selfishly, warning that such actions lead to chaos and suffering.
Gratitude for Divine Guidance: The hymn closes with a note of gratitude for Zeus’s guidance and the blessings of a rational universe.

An Excerpt (Translated)

Most glorious of the immortals, mighty God, Invoked by many a name, O sovran King Of universal Nature, piloting This world in harmony with law—Hail, Zeus! For unto Thee is due the praise of all, That mortals sing, for that they spring from Thee, The work of Thine unwearying hands, O Sire, Whose power holds the wide world in its grasp. (Translation by James Adam)

Philosophical Significance

The hymn serves as a poetic encapsulation of Stoic philosophy:

Logos: The idea that Zeus embodies logos, the rational force pervading and organizing the universe.
Providence: The hymn praises Zeus for ensuring that all events occur in accordance with a rational plan.
Ethical Alignment: It calls on humans to live virtuously by understanding and aligning with the natural order.

The Hymn to Zeus remains an important text for understanding Stoicism and ancient Greek views on divinity and the cosmos. It exemplifies how philosophy and theology intertwined in ancient thought, blending poetic form with profound philosophical concepts.

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January 3, 2025 - 3:11 pm

Steefen, Writer of [Scientific and historical] Accuracy of the Bible
Where is the part about the Logos?

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The concept of Logos is central to the Hymn to Zeus, though Cleanthes does not explicitly use the term “Logos” in the surviving text. Instead, the idea is embedded in his portrayal of Zeus as the rational, organizing principle of the universe. This aligns with Stoic philosophy, where Logos is the divine reason or rational structure that pervades and sustains all existence.

Here’s where the idea of Logos is implicitly conveyed in the hymn:
Relevant Passage (Translated)

“O God most glorious, called by many a name, Nature’s great King, through endless years the same;
Omnipotence, who by Thy just decree
Controllest all, hail, Zeus, for unto Thee
Behooves Thy creatures in all lands to call.”

In this passage:

Zeus is described as the ruler of all, exercising rational control over the cosmos.
The description of Zeus as the unchanging ruler of nature implies the Stoic Logos as a universal, eternal force.

Further:

“Through all the boundless ether, Zeus, who wields
The scourge of thunder, drives the storm-clouded fields,
Thy self-sprung law no man may e’er evade,
Who walketh earth, or through the heavens hath strayed.”

Here:

“Thy self-sprung law” refers to the rational order of the universe, which no one can escape. This is a poetic way of describing the Stoic Logos as the divine law governing all things.

Cleanthes’s depiction of Zeus as both the creator and sustainer of this rational order embodies the Stoic principle that Logos is immanent in nature and humanity. By praising Zeus in this way, Cleanthes ties the divine closely to Stoic cosmology, where the Logos is simultaneously a force of nature, divine will, and the moral compass for human life.

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January 3, 2025 - 6:32 pm

Dr. Robyn Faith Walsh at 13:30:
None of the English translations of the NT make any kind of sense.
Christian scholar and Classical scholars often translate the same GReek word differently.

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Steefen
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January 3, 2025 - 6:37 pm

@Robert
Please remove @Colin Milton’s Comment 11,

Christos or Christos contributes to Comments 9 and 10 hoq?

Please move it to OFF-TOPIC / DISTRACTING POSTS.

Thank you.

I need to pick up at 41:56 of the Dr. Robyn Walsh video.

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Colin Milton

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January 3, 2025 - 11:07 pm

If they think that Rome invented Christianity, then why not the medieval Catholic church invented the apostolic fathers and historians. Need a few more bong hits.

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Colin Milton

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January 4, 2025 - 6:17 am

I’m not much surprised that a classical Greek scholar and Christian Greek scholar would translate words “differently”.

In comparison: can words not found in the KJV, Declaration of Independence, and Constitution therefore be interpreted as not belonging to the English language?

500 years is a long time within “living languages” and “dead languages”. All these non native speaking foreigners and scientists, the Sojourners, have really screwed up the English language nowadays in comparison.

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Colin Milton

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January 4, 2025 - 6:25 am

All these linguistic Sojourners can go back to the country they came from. We don’t need their piles of rubbish literature that pollutes our English language.

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January 5, 2025 - 12:14 am

If I were to guess why people think Rome invented Christianity and/or christ, it would be:

Authors like Atwill saw how Jesus is but a conglomeration of OT characters, and figured Jesus is a fiction.

The authors had to figure out who invented Jesus and why.

The proximity of the Jewish war to the beginning of Christianity seemed related.

That rome would profit if they could create a pro-Roman version of Judaism.

My problem with this is that there was already a pro-Roman version of Judaism. Judaism made room for foreign rulers to be controlled by YHWH, especially in Isaiah and Jeremiah.

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Colin Milton

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January 5, 2025 - 8:52 am

Rome is a city, not a person. Rome cannot invent anything. If Rome did invent anything, that itself would be miraculous.

I philosophically disagree with the Title and grammar used. It’s not even a rational thought to begin with.

If they’re linguistically equating Rome with The Romans they “those with Doctorate of Philosophy Degree” should go back to Kindergarten and learn how to speak proper English before they even open their foolish mouths up ever again.

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Colin Milton

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January 5, 2025 - 8:58 am

…….I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul

Billy Madison

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Colin Milton

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January 5, 2025 - 11:16 am

Please stop,

Hypothetically: 2000 years from now the academic elites will be reading the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, Constitution and Bill of Rights. They will then notice similarities between that and the British. They will then conclude that according to the previous academic laws of rational thought that the Parliament of the British Crown had in fact, written all those as a conspiracy against itself.

That’s basically how stupid and irrational it sounds, that now, nearly 2000 years after the facts that “Rome invented Christianity”.

The brainwashed Zionist academics once again invent even more irrational thoughts. Go take some more bong hits.

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Colin Milton

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January 5, 2025 - 11:21 am

So they’ve read some of the stuff of Paul and noticed that he mentioned he was a citizen of Rome…..brain has thoughts…..Rome invented Christianity.

Just wow. 😮

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