
godspell said
Then why not the entire story of Barabbas, and Pilate’s thwarted attempt at sparing Jesus? … …There never was a Jewish mob braying for Jesus’ blood. None of that happened.
Josephus tells us the Pharisees had the support of the common people. A preacher travelling from Galilee to Jerusalem who was criticizing the Pharisees is likely to set a sizable portion of the population against him. They were religious people and the religious authority of the Pharisees was seen as right and just.
The impression given by the gospels is one of Jesus gaining a following outside Jerusalem but failing to get any when arriving there. A Jerusalem mob braying for Jesus’ blood in support of the Pharisees is historically acceptable. When the Roman authority sides with the Pharisees any support he had melts away.
A Pilate reluctant to give in to the Pharisees demands but acceding at the sight of a mob forming is all believable.
I think whatever the four gospels have in common in the trial and execution narrative have a good chance of being true. An initial trial by the sanhedrin, brought to Pilate for sentencing, some sort of prisoner release offer to the crowd, Barabbas being released, soldiers mocking Jesus, “king of the jews” being written above the cross.
But the Pilate’s wife account is only in Matthew and too obviously serves a dramatic narrative purpose to be real. However its not added in by Matthew to explain Pilate’s actions (Pilate sees Jesus as innocent of any crimes); its part of his responsibility motif, Judas repents after betraying innocent blood, Pilate avoids responsibility and washes his hands, the Jews in Jerusalem accept the responsibility for the death of Jesus. Matthew thinks the endtimes are coming soon and wants them to repent too.
Mark’s story is purely about Jesus however and anything which distracts from that is removed. The change from the “well-known” prisoner to the “insurrectionist/murderer” of Mark/Luke is probably done for dramatic purposes – an even greater injustice being done to Jesus.

Most historians believe Josephus was himself a Pharisee, and it’s not like he could conduct public opinion polls, so that’s a bit of a stretch. There were multiple factions in Palestine, and most Jews probably weren’t that strongly affiliated with any of them.
You could be right that Jesus didn’t do that well in Jerusalem (Bart would agree), but then why was he treated as such a big problem by both the temple priesthood (who don’t like the Pharisees either) and the Romans (who don’t know the difference)? Can’t have it both ways. If he’s got little support, he’s just another street corner prophet ranting at the Passover. Very few of them got crucified. Why did Jesus get so much attention?
Again, it’s the temple priesthood doing this, according to the gospels–Caiaphas isn’t a Pharisee. And he’s not a rabble rouser–his job is to keep the rabble down. If he whips up a mob, Pilate can have his head on a platter quicker than you can say John the Baptist.
The doctrine of multiple attestation, in and of itself, isn’t adequate to establish the probability of something. All four gospels have Jesus rising from the dead. We don’t abandon skepticism just because miracles aren’t involved. And frankly, for Pilate to argue for not crucifying somebody might be a bigger miracle than the resurrection. You quote Josephus as an authority on what the common people believed (which was not really his area of expertise) but what say you to this?
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Doesn’t sound like the kind who caves to pressure, does he? To Pilate, the only good Jew was either compliant or dead. It was effective in the short term, but it came back to bite him–well after Jesus was gone.
Your comment about Judas is puzzling. Pilate doesn’t repent of his actions–he washes his hands of them (it was never about him being guilty, according to Matthew, but rather a superstitious dread of supernatural consequences). He alone had the authority to crucify someone, and it was an authority he guarded closely, so why just hand it over to a mob?
The Judas story is mainly there, yet again, to set up the temple priesthood and its entourage as the Worst People Ever. Even the man who betrayed Jesus is better than them. There is no thematic connection to Pilate and Barabbas. The gospel writers are all stringing together various stories that were created afterwards, to fill the huge gaps in the collective memory of early Christianity as to what happened after Jesus was arrested.
Mark portrays Barabbas as an insurrectionist because his source for the Barabbas story did. Matthew used Mark as a source, liked the story, thought it needed fixing. Luke used Mark as a source as well. You don’t agree, which is fine, just like the people who don’t agree the earth is round.
We can argue about John, but so much of John is clearly ahistorical (or borrowed from alternative sources, like the Pericope Adulterae) that it’s pointless to bring him up except for purposes of comparison.
Again, who would even have this information? Nobody, because the followers of Jesus were in hiding, and never witnessed any of this. The mob is composed (we’re told) of people who hate Jesus and his followers, so it’s not like they’re going to be interviewed later on.
It’s a fabricated story. Perhaps not intended as a hoax–rather as an allegory (that Mark would appreciate, without necessarily knowing it wasn’t meant literally) about how nobody knew who Jesus was. And because Mark used it, it entered the canon. Because Mark was the first gospel to gain a wide enough audience to survive.
Seriously, the merciful Pilate just does not hold water. I have made that argument myself on the main blog, but am forced to concede–it doesn’t add up. He wouldn’t have feared the temple flunkies and their handful of hangers-on. He wouldn’t have felt any compunction about killing anyone who said Rome’s days were numbered. If he thought Jesus was insane–maybe. But there’s no indication of that anywhere in the gospels.

godspell said
You quote Josephus as an authority on what the common people believed (which was not really his area of expertise) but what say you to this?** you do not have permission to see this link **
Doesn’t sound like the kind who caves to pressure, does he?
What we get from Philo and Josephus, and the above link, is a Pilate who doesn’t show the same sensitivity to Jewish religious customs as his predecessors, an times an insensitivity causing near insurrections.
We also get a Pilate who is rebuked by Tiberius after complaints from the Jewish leaders to the emperor.
This matches perfectly with the gospel accounts of the trial and execution. Pilate knows the chief priests real charge against Jesus is blasphemy not sedition. He is reluctant at first to give in to these religious demands, causing a near riot. But the pressure felt from Rome to keep the peace is enough eventually for Pilate to order the execution.
Also in Matthew, it is not clear that Pilate is showing any mercy. Barabbas is a “well-known” or “noted” prisoner. He is “noted” in the same sense as Andronicus and Junias are “noted apostles” in Romans 16:7. Pilate cant be said to be showing mercy to Jesus, he doesn’t believe him to be guilty of any crime and has him executed anyway.
Jesus brings a crowd of followers to Jerusalem which is why the priest find him dangerous. Its not clear from the outset if Jerusalem will support him too so his initial arrest is done in secret. But the crowd will back a winner. When the chief priests get enough backing and gain the support of the Roman authority to have Jesus executed, his support melts away. The gospels are clear on that too. Matthew/Mark however have the women watching it all from a distance. They witness the crowds calling for his execution and the crucifixion itself.
Don’t see how any of this would be contrary to the historical record?

Rebuked, but not dismissed, and Pilate’s behavior continued after that rebuke, until he was finally removed for it, years after Jesus’ death. It doesn’t match up at all. Nor was Pilate rebuked for NOT crucifying someone. Nor does it make sense that Caiaphas (who was likewise removed from power, around the same time as Pilate) would risk Pilate’s wrath by creating a mob to clamor for the blood of someone Pilate would happily kill without any such compulsion–he didn’t care if you’d committed crimes or not, as his behavior before and after Tiberius’ rebuke clearly demonstrates–if you were in any way less than obedient to Rome, that was to him a crime, and Tiberius would heartily agree.
Jesus is saying Rome will cease to exist in a very short time. That’s a lot less than obedient. But this is assuming Pilate ever spoke to Jesus at all, and how would early Christians even know if he did, or what was said, and why is there no mention of a translator, which would be needed, since they had no common tongue to converse in? Where is this dialogue coming from? Who preserved it for posterity?
Barabbas is a ‘notorious prisoner’ because Matthew distrusts Mark’s account (in this case, correctly, since there had been no insurrection), but likes the story, wants to include it. So he tweaks it. Waffles on what Barabbas was charged with, and gives Pilate a motive (that you admit is fictional) for his puzzling reluctance to do what he was himself notorious for doing. There was no custom of the Roman governor freeing prisoners at Passover. And freeing anyone guilty of a serious crime would get Pilate in more trouble than not crucifying somebody the Sanhedrin had legally condemned.
Nor do we have any record of anybody named Barabbas, outside the gospels–it wasn’t a name that people used. You can come up with different explanations for it (and many have), but the one that never works is “There was somebody named Barabbas who was in prison for a serious crime, and he was released instead of Jesus.”
Matthew sees the problems in Mark’s account, but doesn’t know the reasons for them. He is all in favor of portraying the temple priests as perfidious, so he fixes the story, tries to make it more credible. He is the one editing Mark, not the other way around. No way Mark’s account would come from him reading Matthew. Makes no sense. But makes perfect sense when you assume Matthew was reading Mark.
Your problem is that you have a pre-determined conclusion you will not deviate from, and you warp all the evidence to match up with it. That invariably leads to faulty conclusions. If you can never change your mind, you aren’t studying history–you’re making it up to suit yourself.
Until quite recently I believed there was something to the Barabbas story–now I’m forced to conclude the evidence just doesn’t hold up to scrutiny–in that there isn’t any. None. Zippo. Just the four gospel accounts, which are there because of an earlier account that (like many stories in the gospels) isn’t factual in nature, and possibly was never intended to be taken as such. These are not chronicles–they are religious stories, often but not always based on factual events.
But nobody KNEW the factual events of Jesus’ so-called trial, which was really just a brief interrogation by the Sanhedrin, followed by a conviction, followed by summary execution on the authority of the Roman governor. This was the accepted procedure, agreed-upon by both sides, and there is no reason to believe there was any deviation from it.
But to early Christians, this was unacceptable–a story unfitting to Jesus’ enormous significance–so they seized upon the Barabbas story–to minimize Pilate’s guilt (since an increasing number of Christians were pagan converts) and maximize Jewish guilt (since most Jews would never convert and there was increasing hostility and lack of understanding between them and Christians).
It began with a family feud between Jews who believed Jesus was Messiah and the great majority of their fellow Jews who would never accept this. But once gentiles became the majority among Christians, it turned into a reason to hate Jews just for being Jews. And this is the most tragic legacy of Jesus, which would have filled him with horror had he known.

Point of order–Pilate was removed from his position by his successor, Vitellius, who is known to have been much more conciliatory, less inclined to harsh peremptory punishments. The passion story with Barabbas and Pilate trying to release Jesus was probably penned under Vitellius, and Roger David Aus suggests Vitellius was the model for that Pilate.
Pilate was not removed for any conflict with the temple authorities, or indeed any Jewish faction. He was removed for suppressing a rebellion by Samaritans (famously at odds with their Jewish brethren), in a way that was deemed overly harsh (and thus likely to lead to further unrest). Rather reminiscent of his treatment of Jesus and his followers, who he would have perceived as being in rebellion against Rome, and Caiaphas would quite likely have emphasized their disloyalty to Rome when conveying the news of the Sanhedrin’s decision to Pilate. (Because Pilate could not care less who the true Messiah was–there ain’t no such animal, far as he’s concerned).
Pilate and Caiaphas seem to have worked well together, and both appear to have held a similar intolerant attitude towards dissident factions under their general authority. Both were removed from their positions by Rome, at around the same time.
Caiaphas actually rose to the position of High Priest around the same time Tiberius issued his rebuke (according to Josephus, in response to complaints by the sons of Herod, not the temple authorities–and only for putting up symbols offensive to the Jews, not for anything to do with his sentences for crimes). He and Pilate seem to have quickly established a good working relationship, based on similar objectives.
The term ‘quisling’ is anachronistic, but not entirely offbase, and many in Palestine with nationalist leanings would have considered Caiaphas to be a hireling of Rome (which was of course technically accurate). A hireling knows who signs his checks (anachronisms proliferate). Caiaphas was never going to defy Pilate in the very unlikely case he had decided to pardon Jesus on a whim–frankly, Jesus wasn’t that important at the time. Important enough, maybe, for both men to figure there was no point keeping him around.
All of which indicates the likelihood that there was never any conflict between them over Jesus’ sentence. Pilate saw Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin as subordinates (who he could dismiss at will) who had in this instance done what they were supposed to do. His agenda was not to anger them, but rather to work with them to put down factions within the larger Jewish community who might be plotting some kind of rebellion, the result of which would be loss of power for Caiaphas and his associates, as well as Pilate himself. In the end, both of them were undone by this tendency to rely too much on the stick over the carrot.
Therefore, it is impossible to see any motive for Pilate to counsel mercy with regards to Jesus, other than a humanity and sense of justice history has left us with no record of.
Jesus’ followers were also in grave danger, which is why they fled the city, or went into hiding, meaning that none of them had any details about Jesus’ trial and execution, though possible a few female followers witnessed the crucifixion, which was a public event, meant to impress the power of Rome upon all.
A handful of sketchy second or third hand details, supplemented with material from unrelated sources and perhaps a bit of creative writing, gave us the Barabbas story we have now, that the gospel authors after Mark probably all got from him, directly or indirectly. Where he got it from is still an open question (Aus is by no means the last word), but it wasn’t derived from the real events relating to the crucifixion of Jesus.
We’re doing well without the quote function here, so I would ask you not to return to it.
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