Be alert and awake, lest you be caught off guard when the Lord arrives (1 Thess 5:6-8)
Steefen: What is this about?
When the Lord arrives, are we his backup or something?
#1 Are we about to go to war with him?
#2 These warnings are not for a glorious kingdom but for taking up arms? Or is this the party parable where everyone has to be on time?
#3 Do we have to bring people to him for judgement, as if we were his police?
If the Lord is bringing Paradise can’t we just sleep and get up when we want to?
I don’t mind getting up to sing with the angels or something glorious but the second coming isn’t about being in Heaven but on Earth. So, Jesus comes back and we all have to be ready to do what?
Maybe this is another example of Jesus’ violent/militant tendencies.
Josephsluna said
Nice.JOHN 13:16
JOHN 13:25
Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.
13: 16
Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, “Lord, who is it?”
13: 25
Neither of the two verses answer the question.
I read somewhere (Dale Martin, perhaps?) that Greek and Roman culture did not condemn homosexuality per se, but rather perceived the receiving party as acting in the role of the female and vilified that role as being demeaned or subordinate. Maleness was seen as being powerful and masterly, so the giving party was perceived as acting masculine and was not condemned or vilified.
Don’t know if the scripture passage you quoted was speaking to the subordinate role or to the act in total, but thought I’d share some cultural context to help the discussion along.
GJohnson391 said
I read somewhere (Dale Martin, perhaps?) that Greek and Roman culture did not condemn homosexuality per se, but rather perceived the receiving party as acting in the role of the female and vilified that role as being demeaned or subordinate. Maleness was seen as being powerful and masterly, so the giving party was perceived as acting masculine and was not condemned or vilified.Don’t know if the scripture passage you quoted was speaking to the subordinate role or to the act in total, but thought I’d share some cultural context to help the discussion along.
Another person who is not addressing the topic.
Steefen said
Be alert and awake, lest you be caught off guard when the Lord arrives (1 Thess 5:6-8)Steefen: What is this about?
When the Lord arrives, are we his backup or something?
#1 Are we about to go to war with him?
#2 These warnings are not for a glorious kingdom but for taking up arms? Or is this the party parable where everyone has to be on time?
#3 Do we have to bring people to him for judgement, as if we were his police?
If the Lord is bringing Paradise can’t we just sleep and get up when we want to?
I don’t mind getting up to sing with the angels or something glorious but the second coming isn’t about being in Heaven but on Earth. So, Jesus comes back and we all have to be ready to do what?
Maybe this is another example of Jesus’ violent/militant tendencies.
I think the request for being prepared has to be interpreted as upholding and not relaxing the moral standards required for entering the Kingdom when it unexpectedly arrives.
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