
A recent argument with an (otherwise intelligent) apologist went like this:
ME: you might enjoy this book by Bart Ehrman.
THEM: is he Christian?
ME: no, but it is an insightful and reliable analysis of that text you like so much.
THEM: I do not recognize the people who blurbed the book, so I doubt its credibility.
ME: this is a UNC professor and all of his work is peer-reviewed by other top academics.
THEM: where does it say that?
Where does it say that?
More generally, how can one show an apologist with a mile-high stack of fluffy devotional mindless bull that an Ehrman book is categorically more reliable as a discussion of the Bible? Having multiple best-sellers is not reliable credibility (Lee Strobel comes to mind). Being a professor does not do much because most are assumed to have a liberal agenda. What is a non-confrontational objective way to turn the light on?
Thanks for any suggestions.

all of his work is peer-reviewed by other top academics
Bart’s academic publications are peer reviewed (not necessarily by “top” academics but by academics judged qualified by the editor who also happen to be willing to undertake thankless unpaid work). I seriously doubt his popular works are peer reviewed.
how can one show an apologist with a mile-high stack of fluffy devotional mindless bull that an Ehrman book is categorically more reliable as a discussion of the Bible?
You almost certainly can’t, without first dismantling his world-view. People are apt to assess authority through a lens of tribalism: Because Bart is an agnositc, a professional academic at a secular school, unless he happens to agree with your friend on controversial points (in which case he will be used as a token–“Look even this faithless scholar admits X!”), he will most likely be dismissed as the enemy.

“I seriously doubt his popular works are peer reviewed.”
But surely there is some objective standard of reliability that UNC and/or the book publisher would require of “Armageddon” that a publisher of “The Case for Christ” would not use? How to articulate and prove that standard?

surely there is some objective standard of reliability that UNC and/or the book publisher would require of “Armageddon” that a publisher of “The Case for Christ” would not use?
Bart is tenured. UNC isn’t deciding what he can and can’t publish. Even if he weren’t tenured, they wouldn’t be directly dictating what he could publish (most colleges and universities respect academic freedom enough not to censor their professors outright), but they would have influence insofar as they could decide to let him go if they didn’t like what he had been publishing, so, pre-tenure, he would probably try to steer clear of anything that might make too many waves.
I can’t say how exactly Simon and Schuster review books, but they are a popular, not an academic, publisher and would presumably not use peer review. In this respect they are just like Random House who run the Image imprint, under which the Case for Christ was published.

The more objective standard is to read the arguments dispassionately, to assess the evidence on the merits without bias.
Of course that is easier said than done, and that is the bitch of the thing.
I mean, you can look at an author’s overall standing in the field–who is tenured where, who publishes where, who is taken seriously by the people who devote their lives to this stuff and who is written off as a quack by the same–that is generally a pretty good standard, but the problem comes when you admit that the profession (or the mainstream within that profession) could itself be biased. But that is always a problem when you have to judge positions you aren’t competent to judge on the merits: what if the fringe minority position is correct?
So, Ehrman=Strobel and the only way to break the tie is to go with the answer one prefers?
Well publishers are profit driven like any other business. But expertise does matter. If you needed surgery would you choose a doctor educated at Johns Hopkins or someone who graduated from Barber College? I think Ehrman’s credentials do affect how a publsher advertises his books. Ehrman’s scholarly expertise matters in selling his popular books. Strobel merely has to evince a strong committed point of view.
More generally, how can one show an apologist with a mile-high stack of fluffy devotional mindless bull that an Ehrman book is categorically more reliable as a discussion of the Bible? Having multiple best-sellers is not reliable credibility (Lee Strobel comes to mind). Being a professor does not do much because most are assumed to have a liberal agenda. What is a non-confrontational objective way to turn the light on?
Porphyry is right. You can’t do that with a conversation. My own “deconversion” took years. And debates had nothing to do with it. What you can do is point out that there are many deeply committed Christian scholars who agree with Ehrman about these issues. Remind them it’s not about personalities but about the arguments. In other words you can’t expect to harvest a crop but you can plant a seed. What comes from that, well, Jesus had some interesting things to say about planting seeds, didn’t he?
“fluffy devotional mindless bull” cherished dearly by “an otherwise intelligent” person
Steefen
And you want to be non-confrontational–you have nothing to say to that person.
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Steefen: Unpaid work, Porphry? Tell us about publishing house editors who do not get paid.
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an Ehrman book is categorically more reliable as a discussion of the Bible than devotional material for unintelligent people
Steefen
not for his purposes
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Steefen: Unpaid work, Porphry? Tell us about publishing house editors who do not get paid.
I was not referring to publishing house editors but to the peer reviewers for academic publications.
Most academic publications (even in book fields) are journal articles, and the vast majority of journals do not pay reviewers for their service or give them any public acknowledgement (reviewers’ anonymity is deliberately protected so the referee will feel free to offer an honest review without fear of retaliation).
If we are talking about academic *books*, reviewers do often receive a modest honorarium for their service, but–to give a sense of just how modest a sum we are talking about–it is not unheard of for the honorarium to be offered in the form of free books from the press’s catalogue (I know that academics love their books, and UP books are extortionately priced, but still, we are talking about a couple of hundred dollars for a considerable amount of work).
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