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Geography in the Gospels and Implications for Historical Accuracy
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John Kloppenborg is the author of

1) Christ’s Associations: Connecting and Belong in the Ancient City

2) Q, the Earliest Gospel: an Introduction to the Original Stories andn Sayings of Jesus
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Jacob Berman/History Valley

Does Luke make geographical problems in Gospel of Mark worse or is there an improvement in geography with the Gospel of Luke?

Prof. John Kloppenborg

He complicates the geography making it less intelligible.
Yes there are problems in Mark.
He’s fusing Mark and Q.

Luke does not have any real knowledge of the interior of Palestine.

[And that creates problems when attempting to fuse Q and Mark.]

p/u: 2.13 of 40.12

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Jacob Berman/History Valley
What are specific mistakes made by Luke?

Prof. John Kloppenborg
He does so in two different respects.

1.

Cities have certain amenities. Luke calls places without required amenities “cities.”

Capernaum and Nazareth were not cities. They are small villages. Jerusalem, Tiberias and Sepphoris were cities with city amenities.

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At Chapter 9, the travel section of Luke, Jesus starts moving south, “as Jesus was on the way to Jerusalem…”

In Chapter 10, why is Jesus attacking Galilean towns when he is no longer in Galilee? He should be doing that in Chapter 7.

Jacob Berman/History Valley
Go back to your first point.

Prof. John Kloppenborg
Even in Acts, Luke is not interested in villages and countrysides.

Nazareth probably had a population of no more than 200 people. That is a village, not a city with amenities.

Luke thinks in urban terms, not rural terms.

John has local knowledge of Jerusalem that the Synoptics do not exhibit.

Luke does not betray local knowledge of Judea.

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Yes, you say Mark was written in Italy. He does Latinisms while Matthew and Luke do not. But you do not have to live in Italy to use a Latinism such as “legion.”

p/u at 24:18 of 40:12

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