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In Luke 9:28-36 How did Peter know Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah?
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Astro

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March 6, 2025 - 12:54 pm

I’m curious how Peter knew what Moses and Elijah looked like when Jesus was speaking with them on the mountain in Luke 9:28-36. Were there descriptions/artwork depicting of Moses and Elijah in this period? This may be a dumb question but found it interesting.

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March 6, 2025 - 1:28 pm

Luke is almost certainly copying the story from Mark.

At any rate, the details you are asking for take on a different aspect if, as I strongly suspect, Mark (or perhaps, one of his sources) invented the whole episode.

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Colin Milton

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March 6, 2025 - 3:26 pm

It’s extremely disrespectful (unless as a master-slave relationship, then it was normal etiquette) in Ancient Greek to speak to someone using only pronouns. 🤷‍♂️

To read between the lines; Jesus, Moses, and Elijah would have been using proper nouns:the name when speaking to each other. After Peter woke up he had overheard the conversation and heard the names. 🤷‍♂️

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March 7, 2025 - 2:20 pm

Thanks for your reply, agreed it most likely was copied from Mark and it was also referenced in Matthew. Difficult to know what happened exactly. From what I understand Moses represents the Jewish law and Elijah the prophets. Meaning the Law and the Prophets had fulfilled their duties. Jesus legacy would then replace the old way with the new way

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March 7, 2025 - 2:23 pm

Thanks Colin, that makes sense. Peter woke up and overheard their names being used in the conversation. Or after it happened Jesus explained to Peter who they were.

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March 8, 2025 - 1:03 pm

Hey Astro. Welcome.

If you look at the account of the Transfiguration as a historical event then yes you have to explain how the disciples knew who Elijah and Moses were. But I agree with Porphyry. I think this episode in Mark is a literary invention, mostly because of the way it functions in Mark’s gospel. The episode is the center of gravity of the entire gospel. It simultaneously points back to the baptism and forward to the resurrection. It encapsulates every major theme of the gospel. Mark is presenting us with the figures of Elijah and Moses. He doesn’t have to explain. Luke and Matthew copied Mark.

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Colin Milton

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March 8, 2025 - 3:16 pm

So you’re clever enough to know it was a literary invention but you can’t think of a way to explain how Peter knew? 🤨 I’m not buying it.

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March 8, 2025 - 3:28 pm

So you’re clever enough to know it was a literary invention but you can’t think of a way to explain how Peter knew?

Thinking of such an explanation would be simple, but then I would be writing my own story and not reading Mark’s. Mark provides no explanation. He presents Elijah and Moses as he does Jesus transfigured and the disciples amazed. It’s a story not a newspaper report.

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March 9, 2025 - 10:04 am
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Stephen
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March 10, 2025 - 1:25 pm

One could ask this question in terms of the degree of verisimilitude with which Mark is intending to achieve in his narrative.

I would agree with the idea of a kind of “dream logic” at work. But here I think Mark is aiming his narrative at the reader rather than concerning himself with internal consistency. He does this all through his gospel. “Breaking the fourth wall.” If we saw a contemporary painting of a figure labeled “St Elijah” no one would ask how the artist knows what Elijah looked like. Mark presents his audience with the figures of Moses and Elijah. Peter is “in the painting” not responding to it.

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March 10, 2025 - 2:06 pm
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Colin Milton

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March 10, 2025 - 9:42 pm

What says the author of the gospel must explain everything to the reader? Having an explanation of everything provided by the author would remove the joy, conflicts and purpose of it. God created the brain for a reason.

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