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In the NT Gospels, Has Jesus Been Given the Attributes of Others?
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Omar6741

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October 9, 2023 - 7:56 pm

Have events or characteristics of other historical figures or literary characters been transferred to Jesus by the Gospel writers? If so, which ones?

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Robert
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October 10, 2023 - 8:14 am
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Stephen
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October 10, 2023 - 12:34 pm

I’ve always wondered how much the depiction of Jesus in the gospels depended on what seemed to have been ongoing controversies with John the Baptist’s disciples? If we go by Josephus, in his day John was the more important figure. Perhaps there’s a bit of an inferiority complex being displayed by the gospel writers? They make it seem as if Jesus was well known throughout the entire region even though this seems unlikely. And how much of Jesus’ teaching was lifted directly from John?

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October 10, 2023 - 3:10 pm

James McGrath has ** you do not have permission to see this link ** that the infancy narratives may re-appropriate a significant amount of material that was originally about John the Baptist.

I’m perfectly happy with the idea that the Jesus of the Gospels was a composite character. I’m particularly (though groundlessly) taken with the idea that much of Jesus’ moral teaching was really just common aphorisms that got put into Jesus’ mouth–misattributing pithy sayings is remarkably common.

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Jarek

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October 10, 2023 - 3:32 pm

The same literary technique was used by Josephus when describing the rebels. Sometimes mockingly.

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Omar6741

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October 13, 2023 - 5:25 pm

I found McGrath’s reconstruction of a “Nativity of John” source a bit puzzling: the baby John is treated as a future king of Israel, which suggests Davidic descent, though he is born to a priest named Zechariah (and hence is a Levite).

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Robert
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October 14, 2023 - 6:47 pm
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Omar6741

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October 15, 2023 - 12:35 pm

I believe Bart said that the Lucan infancy narrative shows signs of having been translated from a Hebrew source.

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Robert
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October 15, 2023 - 12:36 pm
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Omar6741

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October 15, 2023 - 12:40 pm

I’ll have to look it up; I might be mixing him up with someone else.

Edit: I think you’re right, as I don’t see that claim in Bart’s posts. I seem to recall he did agree that the infancy narrative has Semitic/Hebraic characteristics.
That’s a common scholarly observation; various scholars (Torrey, Sahlins, Winter, Farris) have used this to argue that Luke translated a Hebrew source. I am getting this from “The Original Language of the Lukan Infancy Narrative” by Chang-Wook Jung, who argues against this view.

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October 15, 2023 - 2:55 pm
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