Robert said
Jarek said
Let’s start with the indisputable facts. …Fifth. Fast launch of competitive versions. From the First to all Four in a few years only.This is not an indisputable fact. Rather it is a necessary and serious weakness in Vincent’s extreme minority position.
Where are you getting your ‘facts’?
I took fact # 5 from my business experience. I was selling mobile content and I needed a lot of it. Music, games, pictures, photos, animations, comics, text, etc … I bought a lot of licenses for the characters: LoTR, Shrek, Shark’s Tales, Dilbert, Paenuts, Suicide Girls, and more. But it was all like the icing on the cake. I had to produce myself. The Internet was observed and whenever a new, fashionable trend appeared, it was exploited. It’s like fashion – some first designer hits the current popular trend, then everyone uses it until the recipient gets bored and everything disappears. Gospels and letters have not been written over several decades. Religion is also a mass market. Someone wrote the first gospel, when it turned out that it was popular, it was immediately developed a new versions. According to Ludemann created in 95% by the Authors. But who cares…
Robert said
An indisputable fact of your experience selling mobile content does not create indisputable facts about when the gospels were written 2,000 years ago. How many of your other indisputable facts were similarly fabricated?
Robert, Bible studies tries to answer questions that go beyond its expertise. 2000 years is nothing for some rules. The comic book Thorgal was written and drawn by 5 painters and 5 graphic artists. Only 1 writer and only 1 painter were the original authors and they just got old. They made a competition and chose the others who ensured the quality and consistency of the continuation. If there were no copyrights, instead of 64 notebooks in 45 years, we would have 100 notebooks in 5 years. Indisputable fact for me is not for you. The same with yours
Robert said
An indisputable fact of your experience selling mobile content does not create indisputable facts about when the gospels were written 2,000 years ago. How many of your other indisputable facts were similarly fabricated?
If someone said that his great-grandfather was Paweł’s assistant and kept copies of his letters and passed them on, the entire development of literature about Paul would have a different course. Without such a witness, each forger believed that he was developing an invented tradition down-top
Robert said
Jarek, it’s fine to use your own experience as an analogy to form an hypothesis about what might have happened with the letters of Paul. But such a hypothetical analogy for how something might have happened is just not an indisputable fact about what actually did happen.Indisputable fact for me is not for you. The same with yours
If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that we can dispute about indisputable facts. See the problem?
Yeah. Aggressive marketing language is a legacy of the old days. It is helpful because it attracts the attention of readers.
Robert said
Jarek: Indisputable fact for me is not for you. The same with yours
Robert: If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that we can dispute about indisputable facts. See the problem?
Jarek: Yeah. Aggressive marketing language is a legacy of the old days. It is helpful because it attracts the attention of readers.
So are any of your other “indisputable facts” here actually facts? Or are they too just “aggressive marketing language”?
I already know where I got the phrase from “indisputable fact”. From the first Wallace / Ehrman debate. Well, my marketing “indisputable facts” should be checked by a specialist in the content industry. How do you know if I’m wrong or right? If a couple of independent interdisciplinary teams were created, maybe some “undisputed facts” could be distilled for more people. Have you seen such an approach to these problems somewhere?
Robert said
I’m familiar with New Testament scholarship and can tell you what are and what are not indisputable facts pertaining to New Testament scholarship. Would you like me to review all of your claimed indisputable facts above for you?
Yes Please. The only reason I am writing this is to hope that someone will be interested and will comment substantially. The result is less important
Robert said
Jarek said
Let’s start with the indisputable facts. …Fourthly, all game participants knew about each other and about the publications available on the market.Also not an indisputable fact. Perhaps most scholars think Matthew and Luke wrote independently. Many (if not still most) scholars think the author(s) of the fourth gospel were not aware of any of the synoptic gospels.Sixth, all biblical studies fell victim to Adolf von Harnack’s authority spell. It happens everywhere – so it was with physics and Isaac Newton.The great majority of scholars did not agree with von Harnack’s most far-reaching conclusion. He was seen as much too much in the thrall of Marcion. Critical scholars do not recognize scholarly arguments as authoritative, ‘though they do frequently defer to those who have studied an issue in much greater detail and have defended their position effectively.ThankThe development and modification process was completed after [before?] the market was saturated with a sufficient number of copies.Did you mean to say ‘before’ instead of ‘after’?
Thank you Robert, I am grateful for your help. After or better “right after”. It is much more difficult to manipulate the text when it is widely known and verifiable with multiple copies.
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