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Jesus and a potentially secular humanist statement
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tripp

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November 9, 2024 - 3:46 pm

Hi everyone,
There is a quote from Mark, I think, that has been referenced on the podcast more than once where Jesus refers to those who will gain access to heaven as being those who have been kind and good to their fellow humans. I’m having a hard time finding it, and I’m not even sure if it is in Mark. Does anyone know of the passage I’m referring to? Thanks!

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Judith

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November 9, 2024 - 4:26 pm

Matthew 25: 31-46 maybe.

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November 9, 2024 - 5:54 pm

Mt 25 was the first thing I thought of also.

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tripp

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November 9, 2024 - 10:22 pm

No, it’s not that. It’s something to do with the people who help others and Jesus says something to the effect of those who have helped those in need have helped me… and he’s not talking specifically about other jews, but rather about anyone who is being kind and good. Bart has made reference to it before on the podcast, I just can’t think of the episodes. I want to say that the passage I’m think of is in Mark, but again, I could be completely wrong.

Thanks for chiming in though, I appreciate it.

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November 10, 2024 - 7:13 am

Jesus says something to the effect of those who have helped those in need have helped me … and he’s not talking specifically about other jews

That still sound a lot like what Judith suggested above (see especially vv. 40 and 32). If that’s not it, I’m at a loss.

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Colin Milton

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November 10, 2024 - 8:53 am

Sounds more like a hours and days unknown sermon duration than a specific verse if it’s not Matthew 25:45.

Luke 10:25-37
The parable of the Good Samaritan.

I think combining the general meanings of numerous passages together based off Matthew 25:45 is what’s going on.

Any fellow human is whom you should be a neighbor towards.

Redefining the legal definition of neighbor away from Deuteronomy 27:17, Proverbs 22:28 is the meaning to be understood as helping (doing good and kind things) the wounded man in the story as loving your neighbor. Jesus is speaking to a Samaritan lawyer in the passage.

There’s nothing I’m aware of in the Bible that suggests a secular humanist view is possible. The Spirit of God is the air. Everybody breathes the air. The Spirit of God exists within everything that is alive. Genesis 2:7.

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November 10, 2024 - 10:25 am
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Judith

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November 10, 2024 - 10:44 am

Robert, you are amazing how you come through time and time again with answers and beyond. Thank you for all you are for us.

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Colin Milton

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November 10, 2024 - 5:25 pm

Ok, the cup of water idiom must have something Torah disputable lost in history to do with the dispute between Samaritans and Jews.

In Mark 9 they are in Galilee land. Mark 9:33
In John 4, Jacob’s well and the Samaritan women.

It’s not possible to travel from Judea to Galilee without passing through Samaria and needing water or being in danger somehow. In Mark 9 they are preparing to travel through Samaria, south to Judea again, Mark 11. In John 4 they are in Samaria. John 4:9

It’s not just a spiritual meaning of cup of water. As a Jew during that time you might literally be facing death if needing a drink of water was in Samaria or expecting a Samaritan to do anything for you, hence the parable of the Good Samaritan. Luke 10:25-27. Jacob’s well must’ve been a safe place for a Jew to be in Samaria.

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November 10, 2024 - 11:09 pm

Thanks guys, it is what Judith said, I didn’t realise how many verses where in her response. I hovered over the little synopsis, but didn’t click the link, which contained much more content. It’s verses 42-45 that I was thinking of. Many thanks for you knowledge and your sharing of it!

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Judith

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November 11, 2024 - 7:54 am

Colin Milton: Jacob’s well must’ve been a safe place for a Jew to be in Samaria.

In the movie “Lawrence of Arabia” Lawrence’s guide and companion was killed for getting water from a well in the desert.

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November 11, 2024 - 8:58 am

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Judith

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November 11, 2024 - 8:59 am

I did it!!! Am not good on a computer as all of you are. 🙂

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Colin Milton

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November 11, 2024 - 11:53 am

Arabs kill other Arabs too. Moses had to split the rock to bring forth the water, Exodus 17.

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