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Recorded by Suetonius, The Twelve Caesars, Julius Caesar, Chapter 75: Mercy to Enemies
Love for Enemies
27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you.
32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. 35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Luke 6: 27-36
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Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matthew 5: 11
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When Judas had eaten the bread, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus told him, “Hurry and do what you’re going to do.”
John 13: 27
the jewish PACIFISM in the gospel of john
13 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers at their business. 15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all, with the sheep and oxen, out of the temple; and he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. 16 And he told those who sold the pigeons, “Take these things away; you shall not make my Father’s house a house of trade.” 17 His disciples remembered that it was written, “Zeal for thy house will consume me.”18 The Jews then said to him, “What sign have you to show us for doing this?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he spoke of the temple of his body.
after all the violent act and vandalism the jews give pacifist reaction.
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While ** you do not have permission to see this link ** gave out that those who were neutral and of neither party should be numbered with his friends.1b
He freely allowed all those whom he had made ** you do not have permission to see this link ** on Pompeius’ recommendation to go over to his rival.1c
When conditions of ** you do not have permission to see this link ** whom they found in their camp; but Caesar could not bring himself to retaliate in kind.1d
At the ** you do not have permission to see this link ** he cried out, Spare your fellow citizens, and afterwards allowed each of his men to save any one man he pleased of the opposite party.1e
And it will be found that no ** you do not have permission to see this link ** of the people.2a
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Contrast Julius Caesar above with Jesus Christ below:
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them–bring them here and kill them in front of me.’
Luke 19:27
Who is the Master of Forgiveness, Julius Caesar or Jesus Christ?
Now, Dr. Ehrman would say, Jesus did not say Luke 19:27–only if Bible editors and publishers (for example, American Bible Society) would agree.
Now, Dr. Ehrman would say, Jesus did not say Luke 19:27–only if Bible editors and publishers (for example, American Bible Society) would agree.
= = =
Even so, Dr. Ehrman, there is another passage: how did Jesus behave towards his enemies, the Pharisees? He called them names in the woe passages.
Julius Caesar had a temper, but that could have been frustration at a situation, not name calling his opponents, as Jesus did.
Second question (first being, Who is the Master of Forgiveness, Julius Caesar or Jesus Christ?):
Who is the Master of Love Your Enemies, Julius Caesar or Jesus Christ?
Stephen said
Steefen, my friend, what color is the sky in your world?
Given the biography of Julius Caesar and the lack of an equivalent level biography of Jesus, the evidence is strong that Julius Caesar had more instances of forgiveness and loving enemies than Jesus did. The evidence has more weight on Julius Caesar than on Jesus, making Jesus a secondary source to Julius Caesar’s example-setting primacy. Julius Caesar became god-man of an empire, Jesus became god-man under that empire.
Stephen, you’re not my friend if you do not constructively contribute to the topic. I would be delighted to add you to my adversary list to avoid reading useless posts that are off-topic.
Caesar’s enemies were military enemies.
Jesus’s enemies were Temple Authorities and Pharisees. I am not yet finding in Julius Caesar’s character a need for Jesus to teach him about forgiveness and loving enemies.
Julius Caesar is an inspiration for Jesus.
Stephen, you’re not my friend if you do not constructively contribute to the topic. I would be delighted to add you to my adversary list to avoid reading useless posts that are off-topic.
Steefen I would be happy to “constructively contribute” to the topic if I had the slightest idea what the topic is.
I’m fascinated by the concept of an “adversary list”. What do I have to do to qualify? Not take you seriously?
Stephen said
Stephen, you’re not my friend if you do not constructively contribute to the topic. I would be delighted to add you to my adversary list to avoid reading useless posts that are off-topic.Steefen I would be happy to “constructively contribute” to the topic if I had the slightest idea what the topic is.
I’m fascinated by the concept of an “adversary list”. What do I have to do to qualify? Not take you seriously?
Stephen, you are now on my adversary list which simply means I will no longer be able to see your posts.
Steefen
Bisexual and gay teenagers should not commit suicide over Christianity because Christianity is more than 50% Roman Emperor Worship.
Second, Christianity is designed for believers to fail spiritually. Here is the pernicious programming:
Jesus is the son of the God of the Jews.
Jesus believes in the god of the Jews.
Moses was blessed to be in the presence of God.
King David said, Lord, I will seek your face.
The god of the Jews says at Leviticus 17:10, drink blood and I will turn my face away from you.
Jesus: drink blood in remembrance of me.
Jesus also told people through parable that the Jewish God was taking away the Promised Land and giving it to the Romans because the Jewish authorities, the wicked tenants gave the Jewish God’s Son to the Romans first for capital punishment.
This is part of the reason why Josephus and the Babylonian Talmud (see Jesus in the Talmud by Peter Schafer) consider declarations about Jesus calamitous.
Therefore, Christianity is not worth your suicide. Either Jesus was better and did not lead people against the Torah and did not tell people the Jewish God was choosing another people or 1) Jesus was right to do this because the notion of the Jewish God was lost when there was no Exodus from the Romans but destruction of Temple Judaism and its notion of God or 2) the Roman overseers of new religions in the empire bugged Christianity to love and worship the Jewish God in quite dysfunctional ways.
Response from a Person Who Believes It Is Right for Bisexual and Gay Teenagers to Commit Suicide over LDS Anti-Bisexual and Anti-Gay Policies (example: a married gay couple cannot baptize their child into LDS)
I question your knowledge of the Lord. You focus more on Roman rulers than you do the words of Yeshua.
Steefen
Response is actually above. Original comment was only the ways Julius Caesar could be used in the creation of Christianity.
Steefen said
SteefenResponse from a Person Who Believes It Is Right for Bisexual and Gay Teenagers to Commit Suicide over LDS Anti-Bisexual and Anti-Gay Policies (example: a married gay couple cannot baptize their child into LDS)
I question your knowledge of the Lord. You focus more on Roman rulers than you do the words of Yeshua.
Steefen
Response is actually above. Original comment was only the ways Julius Caesar could be used in the creation of Christianity.
wt actual f….
Wooden ships on the water, can I have some of your purple berries?
So far, I have found four to five deified Caesars influencing the New Testament and Christian rituals.
Before the biblical Jesus and inspiring the biblical Jesus story is Julius Caesar.
Here, with Julius Caesar, one has showing love, amnesty, forgiveness towards one’s enemies, especially if those enemies are Roman citizens. Julius Caesar did not always act this way but he did act this way enough to have an association with the goddess Clementia.
We also saw a reference to one of the Beatitudes in the life of Julius Caesar.
Effigy of Jesus in death is excellently compared with the effigy of Julius Caesar in death by Francesco Carotta (YouTube film/documentary and a nonfiction book).
One could count Octavius Augustus Caesar who styled himself the adopted Son of God before the biblical Jesus.
After the biblical Jesus are Caesars:
Vespasian – [Bethlehem] Star Prophecy
Titus – The Tribulation of Jerusalem surrounded by armies and the destruction of the Temple , and
Domitian – The Book of Revelation
Caesar understood how to nurture the love of his people. His soldiers were well-paid, and he passed laws (over the Senate’s objections) helping the poor, including protecting them from abusive government officials.
NY Post Review of the book
“The Death of Caesar:
The Story of History’s Most Famous Assassination”
by Barry Strauss
(Simon & Schuster)
How the question was submitted to Dr. Ehrman:
“Caesar understood how to nurture the love of his people. …he passed laws (over the Senate’s objections) helping the poor, including protecting them from abusive government officials.”
NY Post Book Review by Larry Getlin for the book
“The Death of Caesar:
The Story of History’s Most Famous Assassination”
by Barry Strauss
(Simon & Schuster)
Now, I ask, what law/s did Jesus get passed in Judea’s government?
Could a John the Baptist, a Paul, a Jesus, a James, the Brother of Jesus have had an effect on the lawmaking of the Herodian kings/governors? (There was the Hillel v Shammai Schools that seemed to contribute to governing the Jews of the first century.)
Second, how does one submit for the Weekly Mailbag? Not like this but emailing you? Can you and Stephen/Steven who run the site put a button somewhere?
Caesar understood how to nurture the love of his people. …he passed laws (over the Senate’s objections) helping the poor, including protecting them from abusive government officials.
Now, Jesus on the Poor
Not Jesus but Proverbs 19:17 ESV
Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed.
Luke 6:20-26 ESV
“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. “Blessed are you who are hungry now, for you shall be satisfied.
Matthew 11:5 ESV
The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them.
Matthew 25:40 ESV
And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
Matthew 26:11 ESV
For you always have the poor with you, but you will not always have me.
Biblical Jesus quoted: Isaiah 61:1-2 ESV
The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me to bring good news to the poor…
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