These communal views or traditions represented in Matthew’s gospel are indeed present but ultimately reversed at the end of his gospel when the resurrected Jesus declares that he has now been given all authority in heaven and on earth and tells his apostles to go therefore and make disciples of all nations (gentiles), teaching them to obey everything that he has commanded, which is his more radical and expansive manner of following the entirety of the law. In this gentile mission, Matthew is though the influence of the gospel of Mark in agreement with Paul.
I would even postulate that in his his endorsement of the mission to gentiles, Matthew likely would have considered following food laws less important when evangelizing gentiles (as also with nonobservant Jews). “Eat whatever is set before you” and if it is lawful to heal on the Sabbath, surely saving lives from the coming destruction takes precedence over dietary kashrut law. Matthew doesn’t say this explicitly but it should probably be apparent from Jesus’ teaching, later codified in rabbinic Judaism as שקולה שבת (shekulah shabbat) and פקוח נפש (piquach nephesh).
I agree that Matthew ultimately shows the more expansive concept. But we probably need to distinguish here between Matthew’s view and the views of the historical Jesus. The latter might indeed have had a narrow restricted view. It hard to see how the passages I quoted could be secondary to the tradition since they mitigate against the overall tenor of Matthew’s gospel. On the other hand they could well be authentic memories, rather like Mark’s verse where Jesus tells his disciples that some of them won’t die until the kingdom comes. Whoops.
…certainly not Paul’s understanding of his own mission to the gentiles.
I’ve often wondered, in his own context of Second temple Judaism, just how radical Paul’s views actually were. We know the prophets envisioned a role for the “nations” in the kingdom. Foreigners come to worship God but they still remain distinct peoples. They don’t become Jews. Paul suffers from being filtered through the lens of the forgeries and the Reformers.
Robert said
I doubt Jesus thought about gentile Christians at all. If Bart is right about Mt 25 being an authentic parable of Jesus, he probably saw the gentiles being judged without any reference to Jewish law at all. Not unlike Paul’s idea in Rom 2,14-16, but I seriously doubt Jesus envisioned a mission to the gentiles, certainly not Paul’s understanding of his own mission to the gentiles.
Am I missing something?
Which part of Mt 25 are you referring to?
Thanks
Robert,
Can I ask you something? I wanted to print this topic and save the conversations we’ve all had here to my files. I’ve tried it several times, and the system will only let me print up to comment number 10.
Do you have any idea why this is happening and why it won’t print?
Robert said
You should be able to first save the entire thread as a PDF, which can the be printed out.
Yeah, that’s what I was doing.
I should have said save to PDF instead of print. We used to call it print to PDF, so sometimes I still call it that.
I just tried it again, and it only goes up to comment # 10.
Robert said
You should be able to first save the entire thread as a PDF, which can the be printed out.
Yeah, that’s what I was doing.
I should have said save to PDF instead of print. We used to call it print to PDF, so sometimes I still call it that.
I just tried it again, and it only goes up to comment # 10.
Bobby, … can we call you Bobby?
Could you do me a favor and go to the ‘print view’ for this topic and see if it shows you more than just the first 10 comments?
Thanks if you can.
Robert said
Helen Young said
Bobby, … can we call you Bobby?Please don’t
Could you do me a favor and go to the ‘print view’ for this topic and see if it shows you more than just the first 10 comments?
Thanks if you can.I encounter the same issue, not sure why. If, however, you select “Print this page” instead of “Print entire topic,” you will be able to print all 20 posts from that page. Thus you would have to print each page of a thread separately.
How about Bob?
I don’t seem to have any luck with what you have suggested. When I select “Print this page” I don’t get anything except the topic title.
Robert said
Helen Young said
How about Bob?No, not really.
I don’t seem to have any luck with what you have suggested. When I select “Print this page” I don’t get anything except the topic title.
After you place the check mark on “Print this page only,” do you then click on “Open this Topic in Print View”? After I do that I see all 20 posts from that page of the thread.
I suppose Roberty bob bob bob is out too
You did say that I could make a joke back at you at some point. 🙂
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That worked. Thank You,
I was able to save/print the whole topic thread.
It looks like the software has mixed up the checkboxes. The “Print this page only” and “Print entire topic” checkboxes are switched. I’m not 100% sure, but that might be the issue.
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Edit: I’ve gone back and checked it, and that doesn’t seem to be exactly the problem, but something isn’t quite doing what it says it’s gonna do or something like that.
I think something might not be happening with the “Print entire topic” checkbox option. But I’m still not sure what’s not happening the way it says it’s going to happen.
Dan McClellan is at it again. There is some overlap with the previous video but he does spend time here distinguishing between the view of the Law revealed in Paul’s authentic letters and the view in the forgeries, like Ephesians, which had such a huge impact on the Reformers and the invention of the concept of Sola Fide.
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