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Origin of Q Document
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Jarek

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June 21, 2023 - 9:38 am

Q returns to the scene in a big way with data mining..
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November 4, 2023 - 9:14 am

QUESTION: If there was a Q Document, who wrote it and when?

A church historian called Eusebius (263-339 CE) wrote in “The History of the Church”, translated by GA Williamson (1965), page 152, book 3, chapter 39 “The Writings of Papias” near the very end of that chapter, he declares that the same Matthew of the Gospel of Matthew had “compiled” a book of “Saying” (oracles) [ which would be the missing Q source ] written in Aramaic and said Eusebius – that everyone translated from those “Sayings” [of Christ].

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November 5, 2023 - 9:23 am

called Eusebius (263-339 CE) wrote in “The History of the Church”, translated by GA Williamson (1965), page 152, book 3, chapter 39 “The Writings of Papias” near the very end of that chapter, he declares that the same Matthew of the Gospel of Matthew had “compiled” a book of “Saying” (oracles) [ which would be the missing Q source ] written in Aramaic and said Eusebius – that everyone translated from those “Sayings” [of Christ].

This is interesting about these ancient writings. In the introduction to his translation of the Bible (1934) James Moffatt writes,

[the writer of Matthew’s gospel] rearranged and often rewrote Mark’s gospel, omitting a little, altering much, and adding more, from special Palestinian sources. The new material, as far as it embodied sayings, is often drawn from Q: indeed, it is a fair hypothesis, although not more than a hypothesis, the Q was compiled by Matthew, one of the original disciples of Jesus, and that the entire gospel was associated with the name of Matthew on account of the thoroughness with which this Matthian source (= Q) was for the first time incorporated in a gospel.

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December 25, 2023 - 5:59 am

I too have heard of some of Q being relegated to something called the Logia of Jesus, which is used more in Matthew than in Luke. Between the Logia and tracing some Q to the Elijah-Elisha Narrative, Thomas Brodie claims to eliminate Q altogether.

Dennis MacDonald has a book out on the Logia of Jesus, which is comprised almost completely of OT sayings.

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