Steefen said
Jesus was wrong about Theology.
Being wrong about Theology factors into being wrong about Religion, Faith, and personal salvation.Jesus was wrong about Politics.
Being wrong about Politics factors into being wrong about the notion of a sacred country, a sacred Constitution, values, and moral clarity.Jesus was wrong about Justice in the context of a Kingdom of Righteousness.
Jesus celebrating Yom Kippur is not mentioned in the gospels, yet, he is a figure of atonement for sin. There is flawed justice when personal responsibility and all other influences of human behavior are not wedded to atonement, punishment, and rehabilitation.Jesus was wrong about Human Biology and he was wrong about Religion (the Hebrew Bible), how serious the God of Moses and the Prophets was against consuming Body and Blood.
Being wrong about blood in the digestive system vs. the circulatory system is a huuuuge wrong.
As for consuming blood, the God of the Torah said He would turn his face away from someone who does that.
As for consuming a human body, the Hebrew Bible stated that happens when a people are seiged and defeated.
Therefore, Jesus’ Holy Communion is a sacrament of defeat and alienation from God.
The Judeo Christian God needs to be right about Theology, Religion, Eschatology, Politics, Justice, Human Biology.
If one is going to subscribe to a god rolling out a universal Kingdom of Righteousness/Heaven/God, a non-violent integration into the existing political structure (Roman empire patron – Roman territory client structure) would be the way to go.
We cannot have a Father and Son or a Trinity that flunks these subjects.
So you’re saying we can EITHER live in an earthly realm administered by God that an itinerant rabbi imagined OR in a political system based on military conquest that was ultimately conquered by that rabbi’s ideas, and has not existed in any form since the fall of Constantinople in 1453?
Steefen said
Steefen said
Jesus was wrong about Theology.
Being wrong about Theology factors into being wrong about Religion, Faith, and personal salvation.Jesus was wrong about Politics.
Being wrong about Politics factors into being wrong about the notion of a sacred country, a sacred Constitution, values, and moral clarity.Jesus was wrong about Justice in the context of a Kingdom of Righteousness.
Jesus celebrating Yom Kippur is not mentioned in the gospels, yet, he is a figure of atonement for sin. There is flawed justice when personal responsibility and all other influences of human behavior are not wedded to atonement, punishment, and rehabilitation.Jesus was wrong about Human Biology and he was wrong about Religion (the Hebrew Bible), how serious the God of Moses and the Prophets was against consuming Body and Blood.
Being wrong about blood in the digestive system vs. the circulatory system is a huuuuge wrong.
As for consuming blood, the God of the Torah said He would turn his face away from someone who does that.
As for consuming a human body, the Hebrew Bible stated that happens when a people are seiged and defeated.
Therefore, Jesus’ Holy Communion is a sacrament of defeat and alienation from God.The Judeo Christian God needs to be right about Theology, Religion, Eschatology, Politics, Justice, Human Biology.
If one is going to subscribe to a god rolling out a universal Kingdom of Righteousness/Heaven/God, a non-violent integration into the existing political structure (Roman empire patron – Roman territory client structure) would be the way to go.
We cannot have a Father and Son or a Trinity that flunks these subjects.
Jeffrey Siker
Still, rather than seeing Jesus as an ontologically perfect human being, I would propose another way of approaching this troubling Jesus, a way that accepts the actual humanity of Jesus. Rather than human perfection, I would argue that Jesus provides a pattern of transgressive faithfulness that redefines both faith and sin.
Steefen
How would you strengthen your proposition with claim/s of Jesus’s transgression/s?
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