Paul Wallis:
What Did Jesus Think of Moses and The Torah?
Sometimes Jesus Repudiates Moses and The Torah.
Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy:
I’ve said he repudiates Yom Kippur and Leviticus 17: 10.
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Only 17:30 to TBD (in prep for this thread, I have to p/u at 19: 19)
of the Paul Wallis video below:
Paul Wallis
How did Jesus read the Elohim stories?
How did Jesus read the Yahweh stories?
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Jesus did not read the Hebrew canon in a fundamentalist way.
He and his apostles almost never reach for a plain reading of those texts.
Next, Jesus says, “In the past you’ve heard this, but I say this.”
“Moses said this, I say this.”
Jesus is not endorsing the Mosaic teachings. He repudiates them.
Jesus:
All who came before were thieves and robbers. [That’s what the Elohim did.]
There’s a moment in Luke and Matthew’s gospels where Jesus asks,
Which of you fathers, when asked by your children for food would give them snakes?
If your children asked for bread, would you give them snakes?
Jesus is referencing when the people of Israel were starving in the desert. The people go to Moses and ask, can you get Yahweh to give us some food.
Steefen
God gave them manna.
No, you’re referencing Numbers Chapter 21, 5-6.
and spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you led us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread or water, and we detest this wretched food!”
So the LORD sent venomous snakes among the people, and many of the Israelites were bitten and died.
Paul Willis
So, Jesus is distancing himself from Torah, from that vision of Yahweh.
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Steefen
This is why this video is so important. Jesus repudiates the god of Moses.
p/u @ 23:47
Bart D.E.
Are the Gospels Anti-Jewish
Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy
I’ve said Jesus repudiates Yom Kippur and Leviticus 17: 10.
Paul Wallis, author of three books Escaping from, The Scars of and Echoes of Eden and has videos on “The 5th Kind” YouTube channel (800K subscribers) also finds Jesus not endorsing Judaism 100%.
Paul Wallis:
Sometimes Jesus repudiates Moses and The Torah.
Jesus says, “In the past you’ve heard this, but I say this.”
“Moses said this, I say this.”
Jesus is not endorsing [all of] the Mosaic teachings. He repudiates [some of] them.
In Luke and Matthew, Jesus asks,
Which of you fathers, when asked by your children for food/bread would give them snakes?
Jesus is actually referencing Numbers 21, 5-6:
and spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you led us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread or water, and we detest this wretched food!”
So the LORD sent venomous snakes [not manna, here] among the people, and many of the Israelites were bitten and died.
So, Jesus is distancing himself from Torah, from that vision of Yahweh.
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Jesus replaces Yom Kippur, mentions consuming body and blood, criticizes Numbers 21, turns over tables, and calls Pharisees evil brood of vipers.
Yes or no?
Jesus inspired Stephen who held positions that got him stoned/killed.
Jesus inspired Paul who held positions that got him run out of Judaea to Rome to escape being killed.
In Acts, James the brother of John was put to death and Peter was thrown in jail.
Yes, something about Jesus is anti-Jewish.
All in all, everything considered (prior post and this post), Jesus is not that innocent/sinless with respect to the Torah.
Did he lift a finger to make a way to prevent or offer a way to mitigate the future he saw 67-73 CE?
Bart D.E.
Do you mean the historical Jesus?
If so, then to your questions I’d say:
1 no Jesus does not replace Yom Kippur
2 no Jesus does not mention consuming body and blood
3 no Jesus did not speak against God, Moses, and Torah
4 yes Jesus does turn over tables and
5 we don’t know if Jesus called Pharisees evil brood of vipers.
Steefen
1 Matthew 26: 28
This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
2 Every Last Supper speaks of consuming body and blood and Gospel of John goes beyond metaphor
3 If you are saying Matt 7:10 and Lk 11:11 is not a reference to Numbers 21: 6, I disagree, you disagree, we agree to disagree–and of course Christian concordences wouldn’t want Jesus to criticize Numbers 21: 6, but Jesus should have been more careful by saying something like, but I’m not criticizing the Torah at Num. 21: 6.
5 if you are saying we don’t know if Jesus called Pharisees evil brood of vipers at Matthew 12: 34, how did you come to cast doubt on the Woe sayings of Jesus?
And Stephen, Paul, James, the brother of John, and Peter got in trouble with Jewish authorities because of Jesus.
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