The ducks! No, not the ducks!!!
Mocked by the Swiss. For shame!
You know, I could do this. Buy myself a camera, put on a tie (nice touch) and make videos free associating. You just occasionally drop in the buzz words that get the conspiracy addicts’ hearts a’pumpin’.
My idea though would be to pretend I am an alien representative sent to spread my wisdom. (Everyone knows alien contact will come through YouTube.)
Is anyone already doing this? I don’t mean pretend to be a psychic or a medium. A lot of folks do that. An actual alien. I could put on makeup. Use funky headgear. Cool video lighting effects.
I could take take all that YouTube cash, quit my job, and have enough time to finish my book on Johannine Priority.
Johanine Priority?
the gist of johanine priority arguments rely on the idea that there’s a primitive text inside of the gospel of john that might be much older than the rest of the gospel. id be interested to see if anyone here has more up to date info about this strain of thought
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I am a Johannine scholar, and I don’t argue for explicit written Johannine priority. But I do take an approach which is a form of early Johannine tradition. As I argue in brief in my Brill monograph (BINS 194) and building off Thatcher’s excellent chapter on memory theatre (2013) the individual scenes of the FG are mostly self contained and function as tradents of the Jesus tradition from a very early stage, before the destruction of Jerusalem.
Although I don’t argue this in the monograph, my personal view is that the 70CE destruction gave impetus to the initial codification of these oral scenes into an first edition of the Fourth Gospel, which is supplanted by a second edition (hence the dual colophons and extra explanatory notes) as the diaspora memories of Jerusalem fade. Thus we have a three stage composition process with the initial stage of oral transmission stemming from an early pre-70 and perhaps even contemporaneous with the Markan source. However, I cannot see any way that the author of the canonical FG was pre-substantive Mark.
Paul Anderson has a more complex—but broadly complementary—formation history of the FG in his paper Anderson, Paul N. “On ‘Seamless Robes’ and ‘Leftover Fragments’ – A Theory of Johannine Composition.” In The Origins of John’s Gospel, 169–218. Leiden: Brill, 2016. which includes the epistolary writings (which in my view occur between the 1st and 2nd editions of the Gospel).
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I don’t know about Johannine Priority, but I do know that many scholars argue that many of the details John included are more accurate to the context of early 1st century Judea than the Synoptics. Paula Frederickson argues that John’s timeline of a three and a half year ministry for Jesus makes more sense, for example, iirc. Sorry, it’s been years since I read her book.
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Any proponents of Johannine prioirty?
I don’t know about Johannine Priority, but I do know that many scholars argue that many of the details John included are more accurate to the context of early 1st century Judea than the Synoptics. Paula Frederickson argues that John’s timeline of a three and a half year ministry for Jesus makes more sense, for example, iirc. Sorry, it’s been years since I read her book.
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Steefen:
You know what I would ask:
Why would the synoptics leave out the resurrection of Lazarus?
As long as the words on paper still exist as a document, I am still a person that exists according to the nation called the USA. I remain in existence for however long the document exists.
Fractional Reserve Banking is a big fancy English phrase for bankruptcy. It’s like a business that can’t pay all their monthly loans so they pick and choose which bills to pay and when, and some of the bills won’t be paid. If all the debt collectors showed up at the bankrupt business on the same day and demanded that all the bills be paid by the end of the day or else the business will be burnt down to the ground; (you know what would happen.)
Most times the debt collectors choose not to burn down the bankrupt business because they have hopes that the bankrupt business will be able to repay all the debts and bills. However this hope can backfire and lead to more debt and bills to pay. So it’s all a gamble. Because of this you have what’s called FDIC insurgence st your bank which means the bank is promising that they have your money regardless if the Fed goes bankrupt or somebody robs your bank.
I live by a river and there is mud here that can be used like clay, and fish in the river. The farmers grow crops not as a food source for humans, but as ethanol supplies and food to feed the pigs and cattle. They build many roads so that these crops can be transported to nowhere important relevant to the survival of mankind. Instead of fields of grass they have transformed it all into fields of corn which requires much more stuff than a field of grass. Transforming a field of corn into a field of grass is the field of dreams.
Bio Tech to me sounds like a video game where I grow corn on a computer and get paid for it in cryptocurrency gambling away my corn in a fantasy football league market that wants to build a new football field on my computer screen generated field of dreams.
So far I’ve managed not to be the guy who lives in a van down by the river eating the government cheese. I’m not a motivational speaker either. The field of dreams is a real place and was a movie set somewhere in Iowa.
Johanine Priority?
Steefen I’m familiar with the theory that John contains a core of material earlier or as early as the synoptics, or that it reflects historical accuracies, but that’s not my thesis. I am claiming that the gospel of John was composed in its entirety before the synoptics and indeed, the synoptics clearly depend on John. As far as I know I am the chief (and so far only) proponent of this view. But I hear the winds of change blowing in the distance. When I present my arguments the scholarly consensus will metaphorically melt before me.
Stephen was joking about Johannine priority.
But, as I keep reminding you folks.
Only the madman is sure.
The Younger Dryas period would have been too volatile to build the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx.
The Great Pyramid is 30-40,000 years ago.
Atlantis is 50,000 years ago.
@douglaslazard3665
4 months ago
I am 65 yrs old and have studied ancient history and theology for many years. And I can tell you that Matt has done his homework and is spot on in bringing all these pieces together.
Best podcast ever Julian !
@hakancalis
11 months ago (edited)
I am from Turkey and travel a lot to the Van region. Even I wasn’t aware about those new sights. Media doesn’t cover it that much it seems. That was the most enlightened lecture I experienced. Thank you so much.
@BuilderLee72
1 year ago (edited)
Absolutely 1 of the most fascinating two and a half Hours of podcasting I’ve ever listened to.
Kudos gents,
Blessings be upon you and your families ppl
Well I look forward to going back into my Sumerian book and finding the names of the sons of Noah so I can put it in my second edition.
Steve Campbell
author of
Historical Accuracy
I’m currently working backwards from Abraham to Noah.
I may need the Mauro Biglino book, The Naked Bible.
Chapters I would read:
p. 309 Elohim, Not God: A Little Glossary
p. 303 The Mystery of God Does not Dwell in the Old Testament
p. 284 Yahweh and His Palestinian and Mesopotamian “Colleagues”
p. 230 The True Face of Jesus: an Anti-Roman Rebel Leader
p. 219 From the Hundred Early Christianities to the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception
p. 207 A Curious Wisdom, with No Messiah in Sight
p. 56 The Beginnings: It All Started with the Translation of Genesis
Wow these Julian Dorey videos you link, Steefen, are well made and well produced. They are professionally edited. They contain movie and video clips that must have required certain permissions and/or fees. Let’s do some research shall we?
Dorey began four years ago posting about social media subjects, public issues, politics and the like. The hits on his early videos still only number in the low hundreds. His set is simple, functional. In his second year he dipped occasionally to less than a hundred hits and only a couple times exceeded a thousand with videos about then current controversies, Epstein, Bitcoin. his first big video was about the “revelations” of a FBI insider. Dorey begins to consistently get hits of over a thousand late in his second year, Kanye, Palestine, Weed, Elon. Still no aliens. In his third year he dips back into the hundreds, Rittenhouse, Silicon Valley. It’s only in his thrid year that he begins to really take off with lots of “insider” videos, CIA, FBI. No Aliens yet.
This past year, whammo! His first alien video now has 325K views. The next, 1.5M. Since then it’s been UFOs, ancient civilizations, Gov cover-ups. Since then his views have seldom gone below 50K. Now his videos are “interviews” with “insiders” describing secret agendas, cabals, all the conspiracy greatest hits.
Now why have I done this?
Well firstly, because it interests me. Not simply to mock. But some questions do rather beg to be asked. Who are these people? They make breathless claims but how am I to determine their veracity? That they are who they claim to be and have knowledge not pulled out of their butts? Am I seriously expected to take their claims at face value?
An anecdote is not evidence. Any claim requires support. How committed is Dorey to reporting the truth? If gardening and weaving videos resulted in 1.5M views would he be doing that?
Our Intelligence agencies take a dim view of people with actual real-time knowledge “spilling the beans”. (I’ve known a couple myself. I live and work – mostly – in Washington DC.) But it’s nothing like what people think. Most CIA agents resemble certified accountants more than they do James Bond.) So how come all these “insiders” can reveal earthshaking secrets on YouTube without disappearing into the void? Or as would be more likely getting prosecuted?
Note that our Intelligence agencies will neither confirm nor deny. The conspiracy folks have made a cottage industry out of claims that these non-denials are in fact affirmations. Nope. They’ll investigate if ordered by congress of course. . But they flatly refuse to discuss classified information or technology in public. So when they don’t come out and publically say that some claim is crap they are naturally accused of “hiding” something simply because they didn’t deny it.
All this is so human. I have ranted elsewhere what real alien contact would actually be like. The short version is that they would need nothing from us nor have any reason to fear us.
Stephen,
Your point is not significant.
Ween people are only reading The Bible and not following Human Origins, they miss out on 150,000 years of our existence.
I am working on finding out what happened before the Biblical Noah, like
The Noah story is not the first version
Second, Adam and Eve to not seem to be from Egypt or the Levant.
Comprehend, Steefen, what you are reading in Genesis: Abraham was from Ur, near Eridu.
What, then, does Mesopotamia has to say about the Elohim, the Powerful Ones?
What does archaeology in Mesopotamia has to say about what was written in Genesis?
Julian Dorey did one or two interviews on this topic.
Instead of people being atheistic towards a monotheistic god, they need to realize, that was NOT the reality.
Apparently we need to graduate from Genesis to “classes” where required reading are:
The Myths of Mesopotamia
with class trips to the Met Museum, the British museum. the Institute for the Study of Ancient Cultures (Chicago),
Penn Museum, the Iraqi Museum, and the Mosul Museum.
I usually think, if John the Apostle was a prisoner on an island of Patmos, why was he allowed to have papyrus and writing utensils to write a text that condemns and curses the government of those who sent him as a prisoner to this island and how did this text escape the island and get into the hands of his followers without it being destroyed by the prison guards?
Apparently we need to graduate from Genesis to “classes” where required reading are:
The Myths of Mesopotamia
with class trips to the Met Museum, the British museum. the Institute for the Study of Ancient Cultures (Chicago),
Penn Museum, the Iraqi Museum, and the Mosul Museum.
It wouldn’t be a bad place to start.
Adam and Eve and Noah are simply Hebrew variations on myths common throughout the Ancient Near East. Rather late variations actually. To penetrate back 150,000 years you need the tools of science.
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