I’ve been writing my book on the Revelation of John. Among other things, I’ll be insisting that if you refuse to understand how its genre (“apocalypse”) works, you will misunderstand the book. Here is how I begin that particular discussion (this is just a first draft, not rethought or polished)
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While in office President Ronald Reagan made weekly radio addresses to the nation. One of the most memorable occurred on August 11, 1984. Before the official text of the address began, Reagan announced: “My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” You might think that Armageddon was about to begin, but no, Reagan was simply joking with the recording engineers, think the mic was dead. Bad mistake. The comment was not broadcast, but it was recorded by rebroadcasters around the world. Word soon got out and the Soviets took it to show that the Reagan administration’s was completely insincere over efforts to improve relations.
Still, it was a joke and it was known to be a joke, even among the people (in power or otherwise) who did not think it was funny. If Reagan had said the same words not prior to a weekly radio address from his vacation home in California, but from behind his desk in the Oval office in a specially called nationwide television broadcast at primetime, the words would have meant something different. Then indeed it would have been time to look to the skies.
Context is everything. If you change the context within which words are spoken, you completely change what they actually mean. The same is true of written words.
If you read that a highly toxic virus had accidentally leaked from a top-secret governmental lab and infected the entire water supply of New York City – but it was the first chapter of a science fiction novel, you would pretty much know where it was going. But if you read about it on the front page of the New York Times, you might well get going yourself. Literary context is often as important as historical context. Among other things, literary context involves a writing’s genre and how the genre works.
A science fiction novel is not a newspaper article; and an article on the front page is not like an op-ed. A biography is not the same as a novel; and a novel does not work like a limerick poem. Every genre of literature has certain characteristics and features. These are not written in stone and do not amount to legal agreements. They are an unexpressed contract between the author and her readers; both writer and reader know how the genre of the writing works, they know the rules of this particular game. Even if the rules are bent or even twisted out of shape, the reader sees what the author is doing and grants her the freedom to do so. But for the most part, you will not find biographies of Abraham Lincoln talking about his peace negotiations with the Martians and you will not find nineteenth-century novels comprising fourteen lines with a set rhyming scheme.
Genres guide our expectations. If you want to know what a sonnet, or a short story, or an article on the sports page means, you have to accept the silent contractual agreement extended by the author concerning how that genre typically works.
The vast majority of people today who read the book of Revelation ignore the questions of its historical context and genre. That is a fatal mistake. Making the mistake may not be the end of the world, but it can make you think that it is the end of the world.
I’d be interested in knowing more about how the writer of Revelation expected it to be used. Read aloud I guess – but to big groups? Repeatedly? With discussion and interpretation afterwards? In hushed tones one-to-one or in small confidential groups? Thanks!
I’d say almost certainly he expected that it would be read to each of the seven congregations he sent it to, as groups.
Do we have any idea who might have written Revelation? For the person to expect it to be read to the seven congregations, it surely was someone known to them all, and who garnered enough respect that the members would believe the revelation and take actions based upon what it says.
It’s usually assumed that his name really was John, that he was not one of the disciples (and didn’t claim to be), but was a prophet known to the communities he was addressing. John is typically a Jewish name, and many scholars think he was a Jew who escaped Judea during the Jewish War in 66-70 CE. My view is that all that is speculative and that there is little reason to assume he’s Jewish — at least from his writing itself. It may be that CHristians had started naming their children after Jesus’ apostles by this time? I think he must have been writing in the mid 90s or so.
Thank you for the insight. I assume Revelation is the only writing from the same author that has survived? And I have to ask . . . are there numerous versions?
Yes it is. There are lots of manuscripts with lots of differences in them, but they are all basically the same book. Most of the differences are pretty trivial.
Very interesting , can you say briefly why those scholars “think he was a Jew who escaped Judea during the Jewish War in 66-70 CE”, because when I read one of your articles about John of Patmos’s bad greek I also considered this possibility , the dating of Revelation ca 95 makes it possible but I don’t see any compelling argument for thinking that way.
It’s a combination of teh Jewish name, the bad Greek (some people think he had Aramaic as a first language; I don’t think so, but it’s part of teh argument), and teh profound hatred of Rome.
I really love it how smoothly you take the reader from a comfortable and familiar place to a whole new, unfamiliar one, instilling important, fundamental knowledge on the process. It’s one of your -not so secret- trump cards in your writing. Your books are treasure!
Thanks!
Yes, indeed. I agree with you.
Reading it from a “Gentile” (non-Jewish) perspective, and not understanding its Jewish origins, is just a difficult approach.
The Revelation is not historical, biographical or linear futuristic on a physical level. This book is in my mind an “acopolytic” or revelation in the very essence of being human. It is a revelation in the sense that it calls us through Christ’s path into a new consciousness, into a new level of being human. It is an evolution from within and it is an “ascension process”. The symbols in it are then only processes, forces etc that works in ourselves, and affect our true core on levels of consciousness to be what we have intended or have the capacity to be, in oneness with God. That is the revelation which had to be understood in the sence that the “kingdom” is within.
That’s what I think this book is all about.
I can no longer read it differently. It’s not a literal book!
and theres the millennialist, the non-millennialist and the a millennialist
Don’t change a thing.
Reagan may have been joking, but we have politicians now who let their misunderstanding of the Bible influence American foreign policy. For example, one of the reasons for moving our embassy in Israel to Jerusalem was to appease evangelical Christians because that fits into their end times beliefs. (The opening prayer of the embassy ceremony was delivered by the evangelical preacher Robert Jeffress, and the closing prayer was given by the evangelical preacher John C. Hagee, and then-SOS Pompeo is an evangelical looking forward to the Rapture.) I don’t care what you personally believe about the end times, but letting a minority view hold sway in national politics is worrisome to me, especially when based on poor Bible exegesis. (Actually, even if based on good Bible exegesis it’s still problematic!)
As far as I am aware The Book of Revelation is unique among apocalypses in having a cover letter. Is that how you interpret the epistolary portion of the text or is it simply part of the apocalypse?
thanks
Are you referring to chs. 2-3? They are intrinsic to the book. Or the epistolary opening? That’s unusual, but it has a clear function to establish the author, his credentials, and the occasion — so tthat he’s actually reporting the visionary narrative to peole who were familiar with him, in a letter addressed to them.
Do you think knowledge of Paul’s letters was used as a model for the introduction of chs. 2-3 in an apocalyptic text?
Could it be that 2 Thess was forged in times of Revelation?
The language in relation to the Parousia in 2 Thess makes me think so:
2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
“God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you”
“This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. ”
I don’t — simply because I don’t think there’s any evidence that John knew Paul’s letters. It’s interesting there are seven of them, and seven authentic Paulines that survive. And seven authentic letters of Ignatius not much later! Weird.
The question about Revelation Book(and many others) would be how can we know whether or not the author is intentionally using the complex methaphorical, alegorical,and ambiguous writing style to induce multiple meanings(avoiding future errors) into their audience ?
I would really like to know your thoughts/analysis about the author’s pluasible intentions.
Many writers over the ages have been intentionally mystifying. Possibly that was part of the author’s goal, even while a large number of his symbols are fairly transparent and not overly confusing.
Yep!! If light-heartededness is spiritual evolution, then people who are still Ugg Ugging it can maybe take things one-dimensionally.
I wanted to say “take things literally.” But things can be literal and symbolic with Jesus. Earthly and heavenly:
Son of Man, Son of God
On Earth as it is in heaven
Bread and the heavenly host
So I look forward to your book on Revelation. You’ve written 30 books!!! I would most of all love to learn your secret on how you can write wide-reaching stuff and keep the peace lol. The OT and this book seem to shake the nuts out of the tree (did I do that right?)
Anyways, I finaaaallly found a crank writing about Nabataea.
Writing skills -10
Conflation skills +10
Book Artwork -10000
Underlooked evidence often shows up in stuff like this at first, tho. I am leaning towards your view on the Jesus-Abgar letter being a 3rd-century forgery.
I’ve filled in ‘lacunae’ for three years editing transcription — Fortune 100 biotech execs, Sub-Saharan African translators, Midwest middle-school students, Middle Eastern refugees, Chinese-French-Colonial ESL — and the tone of that letter seems too formal for Jeezy. Formality was actually (counter-intuitively) considered boorish by the well-educated of that era, and I believe Jesus was well-educated.
Hi Bart,
Thanks for the intriguing read. I appreciate the heads up on the apocalyptic genre; however, the genre and the original audience, it was addressed to, cannot be washed over–as the church throughout the centuries have done. After the destruction of the 2nd Temple in 70 A.D., the absolute original audience of Jesus, his Disciples and Paul should have been silenced by the failed prophecies of the Kingdom to come or so-called age to come. It obviously didn’t happened and later followers hi-jacked this failed apocalyptic message as their own.
Bart, is there precedence for apocalyptic messages to be hi-jacked by an audience other than the original during ancient times? I ask because I am seriously confounded on how the early church got away with re-interpreting these writing to address another time, people, and place into perpetuity.
Oh yes, it was a common way of reading texts in antiquity. They are always reinterpreted. Check out “pesher” interpretation among ancient Jews, for example.
Thanks!
Two fun edit suggestions (and their source of inspiration) to make your draft even more compelling :
1. “If you read that the Covid-19 pandemic was actually caused by a lab leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology – but it was the first chapter of a science fiction novel, you would pretty much know not to take this controversial claim seriously. But if you read about it on the front page of the New York Times, you would be shocked but assume the claim is valid.”
( Source of inspiration: An opinion piece in The Guardian by progressive journalist and historian Thomas Frank https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/01/wuhan-coronavirus-lab-leak-covid-virus-origins-china )
2. “you will not find biographies of Abraham Lincoln talking about his secret life as a vampire hunter”
( Source of inspiration: “Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter” is a biographical action horror mash-up novel by Seth Grahame-Smith, released in 2010 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln,_Vampire_Hunter_(novel) )
Thanks!
Well-educated.
I had spent last year telling people that Jesus was a poor.
But after doing a categorical look, I am now betting on Jesus Trustafari. A hoodie minimalist gifting UBI and doing 40 days in the desert like a Jack Dorsey.
1. Nabataean Chuza is a finance minister. That’s big, thats how Antipater starts the Herodian dynasty. Jesus was considered refined enough to trust with his woman , Joanna.
2. The use of peasants saying, “Isn’t he a poor?” “Does anything good come out of Nazareth?” instead of the apostles saying that Jesus rose from these circumstances. Seems like light humor —
Apostle 1: “Haha, the peasants don’t recognize Jesus for what he is.” Apostle 2: “Just because he dresses in a onesie.”
3. Nazareth wasn’t Joseph’s 1rst choice. He was just evading Agrippa.
4. Essenes do manual labor while being educated, thinking for themselves and being well-provisioned.
5. How are we taking the 5 things that say he’s poor (barley bread) and circular filing 100 others?
ability to delegate
solo travel
banqueting
poesy
gold
secular storytelling — pearl mercantilism, savaging servants without investment skills
reading
lack of deference
unusual onesie
His writing ability might be a retcon, but can you consider blogging on where else Jesus would learn this way of being?
I suppose that way of being could be a post facto mashup. Imagine a real historical Jesus but various people with various agendas threw clay at the armature Jesus, years after that person was dead, and behold: it’s not the man at all. It’s even hard to say, now, whether the historical Jesus survived the process at all, except in very trivial ways. Like, there was a man named Jesus who lived at a certain time, most likely, and apparently did things that attracted a following and got him in trouble, and he was executed. Beyond that– who knows? And there’s not even agreement on the simple things I mentioned!
Serene,
I get a kick out of your expression – as we say how here, whatever you are smoking, that is some top drawer “material” (ok, we do not say “material” but Bart is a godly man and I want to work with the literary genre here…:-) ).
https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-conference-convenes-experts-study-early-christian-history
Off topic but I wondered whether this report on a Vatican conference to look at early Christian history might be of interest to you and blog members?
Thanks.
Revelation’s big Q — are apocalyptic genres coded?
If anyone thinks one could be critical on paper with an Arab monarch (Herods) in the 1rst century, and have 2 of your people survive, hmm, good luck.
Jeremiah, a Jewish person, challenged Jewish leadership (Jeremiads). It’s ok when it’s family.
So I just read that Hyrcania means wolf-land:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyrcania
Like John Hyrcanus, the Hasmonean. Maybe its the origin story of Romans being maternally wolfie. A good heuristic for avoiding all wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Herodias is one of the last Hasmonean heirs. And we know how John the Bath Botherer feels about her. Another case of John being rude — he could have instead gave her props for being born ~14 BCE and still snagging a king in ~CE 35. She is soon to be more likely to adhere to Essene purity law about not having sex on your period.
Anyhow, beyond my Bart books, I bought my first explainer book last night and it’s Eisenman, The New Testament Code.
He comes to many of my conclusions — but he doesn’t use anything Nabataean! He came from a whole different angle! I think Paul is allowed by Jesus tho, because Jesus isn’t patrilinealy Jewish.
Why not you two collab? 🔥🔥🔥
It’s alarming how many people believe we’re in the Biblical End Times today – probably far more than when you wrote about it here in 2019. I wonder – for everyone who believes the current pandemic is a sign that “THE END IS NEAR!!! WE MUST REPENT!!!”… what do they think The Black Plague signified? Or the Cold War? Or any of the numerous atrocities and disasters that have plagued societies across the millennia?
I’m more alarmed because of how this thought process influences peoples opinions on genuine existential issues like climate change. Many Evangelicals I’ve spoken to either don’t believe it’s an issue due to the Evangelical/Conservative political narrative, or don’t believe it’s an issue because, as one Fundamentalist friend put it, “God wouldn’t let anything hurt the planet or humanity before Christs return.”
Maybe my concern is just a secular manifestation of apocalyptic fears, but I won’t lie – considering how many political figures seem to believe this way…I’m left feeling uneasy.
Dr Ehrman,
1. Who and why first named the Jewish Bible “OLD Testament” and Christian Bible the “NEW Testament”?
2. Would naming a certain book in NT also effect the meaning or message of that text? Would size of book also matter?
3. If 4 gospels of NT are to be renamed, what names would YOU suggest ?
regards,
1. I *think* the first on record for that is Melito of Sardis, around 180 CE, in his Passover Homily (also the first instance in which a Christian accused Jews of deicide)
2. Probably not
3. I’m happy with the old names. Gotta call ’em something. But if you wanted REAL titles, I’d suggest: 1. Jesus the Jewish Messiah (Matthew); 2. Jesus the Misunderstood Son of God (Mark); 3. Jesus the Rejected Prophet of God (Luke) 4. Jesus the Divine Emissary (John.
Thank you so much for your reply.
1. I do not understand when you wrote “also the first instance in which a Christian accused Jews of deicide” Can you share a few more lines on Melito of Sardis and his motives for naming OLD and NEW?
3. Thats a amazing reply Sir. And maybe ask for a whole new thread. So now we can say that Jesus , in a nut shell, was a Jewish (apocalyptic) Messiah, a misunderstood Son of God who was rejected by his fellow Jews as a prophet despite being a divine emissary?
1. By this time Christians were seeing the Gospels and other books to have authority equal to that of the Jewish Scriptures. So it was the “New” Testmaent making the Jewish Scriptures the “Old” one. 2. You can say that only if you want to combine all four books into one book, since the way I characterized Mark does not apply, say to John, and John’s view does not apply to Matthew, etc….
It just now occurred to me that the charge of “deicide” is a bit nuts– if you can kill something, that something isn’t God, or even A god. Deicide is a rather colorful and tendentious misuse of language. And wholly illogical.
Dr Ehrman,
Apologies for being off-topic:
1. What your take on similarity between Shapur 1 (ruled 240-270AD, the Sasanian Emperor who defeated ,captured and killed the Roman emperor Valerian) and Constantine, as both tried to “adopt” a singular religion for their empire’s solidarity and beyond?
Shapur 1 promoted Manicheans which seems to be gaining roots in Roman empire of 3rd century as well.
2. Seems like both Empires were in a race to make a Universal government and hence needed a Universal religion?
1. I’m not vary familiar with Shapur I, I’m afraid; 2.I’d say that Constantine inherited his government. But having an empire unified in terms of religion and culture must have been a major desideratum. I definitely do not think, though, that this was the “reason” for his conversion. I explain why in my book The Triumph of Christianity.
Dr Ehrman,
1. Sir, what I mean to say is that as trying to understand US history from 1960 to 1980 and emergence of STAR WARS program maybe not be fully understood without studying in detail about the Soviets Union and its policy and leadership; how can we try to understand emergence of Christianity in Roman empire without studying religio-political developments in its biggest foe and nemesis?
2. What if early Christianity, as a religion, was an ANSWER/DEFENCE to the invading religious philosophy of Sasanian(Persian) ?
1. I don’t thin kyou can. 2. It could have been, but that does not mean that the early Christians knew anything about Persian religion.
Excellent first draft! Will you also provide a discussion about the genre during this historic period? I’m not familiar with it. Thanks.
Yup, that’ll be major.
One thing I can say about all this reading of Bart’s book is that it so fascinating. You learn truth. I now see the world from a different prospective. I no longer view the Bible as God’s words I view the Bible as a book that has some truth to it. When I read the book of Revelation I thought of it as a book of prophecies. For example the book of Revelation talks about the seven churches, I symbolize them with the seven continents of the world. After that it mentioned the beast which I symbolize it with U.N and the U.S.A. The prostitute I symbolize it with the leaders of churches and Babylon the great I symbolize with the people of the church. To me the writer knew of seven churches, he knew the government has dominance over its people,he knew that the church leaders was having some kind relationships with the government and to him that was odd in light of Bible principle. He also warns the people of their attitudes and what they most do in order not to receive the wrath of God. That was my way of interpreting Revelation.
Dear Bart,
I’ve just come across Victorinus of Pettau and his commentary on Revelation – will you be reviewing his work in your book? Is he one of (if not the) first to write a commentary on Revelation? It doesn’t seem that Origen did, but I could be wrong.
If you have already looked at Victorinus’ work, would you say he correctly identified the genre of Revelation?
Yes, I’ll be talking about him a bit. His is the first surviving commentary, and is very interesting.