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How can France have had Notre Dame Cathedral and Sacre-Coeur Basilica and Have This Display Anti-Christian?
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Stephen
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December 9, 2025 - 11:53 am

In his video Mr Shane comes off like the hopeless rube marvelling at the antics of city folk.  I do wonder if it were within his power he would have such displays banned? 

Steefen’s preferred method of discourse is the extended monologue. 

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BruceRMcF

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December 9, 2025 - 12:14 pm

Steefen said
I’ve said Jesus was a composite figure of historical fiction.
I’ve said Jesus was a false prophet.  

Which? If he is a composite figure of historical fiction, he is not a prophet, but rather a fictitious figure, and therefore he can’t be a false prophet.

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BJH1960

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December 9, 2025 - 12:20 pm

Steefen’s preferred method of discourse is the extended monologue.

Unfortunately, all threads show this tendency.  I get this distinct feeling we’re just ** you do not have permission to see this link ** in his way.

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Steefen
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December 9, 2025 - 11:17 pm

Robert
But, Steefen, with respect to your Post #16 that Bruce asked you about, are you now telling us that you consider Jesus to be your savior?

Steefen
I’m telling you at one time Jesus was my savior.

Robert
I had the impression rather that your questions there were implicitly ridiculing such a perspective.
If the latter, would not your own position also be sacrilegious from the perspective of Christian believers?

Steefen
Empathetically persuading people to higher truths is not sacrilegious.

BJH, my book is tight. Whatever elaborations needed are in its second edition.

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December 9, 2025 - 11:24 pm

Comment 22

A character of historical fiction can be a false prophet. And if you follow Bart, you would know Jesus was not the only false prophet of some messianic apocalypse. All of them were proven wrong.

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BJH1960

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December 9, 2025 - 11:52 pm

Robert
I had the impression rather that your questions there were implicitly ridiculing such a perspective.
If the latter, would not your own position also be sacrilegious from the perspective of Christian believers?

Steefen
Empathetically persuading people to higher truths is not sacrilegious.

BJH, my book is tight. Whatever elaborations needed are in its second edition.

Steefen, you obviously believe that you are not being sacrilegious, but Robert’s question was whether it would be considered sacrilegious from the perspective of Christian believers.  Do you think the Archbishop of Toulouse or Shane Miller would consider your beliefs to be sacrilegious?

You also believe that your book is tight.  But that wasn’t my question.  My question was:

For more than a decade, you’ve talked about Jesus being a composite figure of historical fiction. In all that time, have you been able to convince anyone of this? If not, why do you suppose that is?

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December 9, 2025 - 11:58 pm

Steefen, you obviously believe that you are not being sacrilegious, but Robert’s question was whether it would be considered sacrilegious from the perspective of Christian believers. Do you think the Archbishop of Toulouse or Shane Miller would consider your beliefs to be sacrilegious?

Steefen:
I already answered that. You ARE hard of understanding.

If anyone wants to know how Jesus felt in the historical fiction story of the gospels. the above is an example.

Well, BJH, you’re not my disciple, and I do not put up with that nonsense. 

Last time for you. Truth is not sacrilegious. I stand by the dating of Homo sapiens sapiens. I stand by the dating of Homo habilis. I stand by those who picked up on the satan-ism content of those parades. 

There are higher truths than the Holy Bible. Go higher and one is not being sacrilegious. Go to Satan and that is sacrilegious.

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BJH1960

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December 10, 2025 - 12:26 am

I already answered that. You ARE hard of understanding.

Actually, you didn’t.  

Do you think the Archbishop of Toulouse or Shane Miller would consider your beliefs to be sacrilegious?

You also failed to answer this:

For more than a decade, you’ve talked about Jesus being a composite figure of historical fiction. In all that time, have you been able to convince anyone of this? If not, why do you suppose that is?

By the way, your mention of my being hard of understanding brought to mind ** you do not have permission to see this link **where I speculated that you felt yourself to be in possession of the truth and saw the rest of as slow dimwits who just can’t get it.  Any truth in that?

Well, BJH, you’re not my disciple, and I do not put up with that nonsense.

You’re right, I am not your disciple. 

Why do simple questions elicit such a response?  

I can only imagine that part of the problem is that you don’t really view the Readers Forum as a place to have a conversation with other members but rather as a place to formulate questions for Bart, take notes for your book, and make pronouncements that dare not be questioned.  Am I being unfair? 

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BruceRMcF

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December 10, 2025 - 4:11 pm

Steefen said
Comment 22
A character of historical fiction can be a false prophet. And if you follow Bart, you would know Jesus was not the only false prophet of some messianic apocalypse. All of them were proven wrong.
  

No, if he is a character in historical fiction, he’s not actually a prophet, just as a painting of a pipe is not a pipe. 

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