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Metaphysical - Spiritual, Dr. Rupert Sheldrake
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January 10, 2022 - 12:26 am

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Through laboratory-controlled experiments, it is known that different species appear to be plugged into a dedicated intelligence field that is universal to that particular species.

Basically, Sheldrake’s Theory explains “intuitive” functioning to a degree.

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January 10, 2022 - 12:27 am

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Through laboratory-controlled experiments, it is known that different species appear to be plugged into a dedicated intelligence field that is universal to that particular species.

Basically, Sheldrake’s Theory explains “intuitive” functioning to a degree.

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January 10, 2022 - 12:51 am

The opposite of gravity is levity.

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January 10, 2022 - 7:02 am

It might be worth noting that Rupert Sheldrake is not considered a scientist in the scientific community at large, nor are his claims considered much more than entertaining pseudo-science. “Feeling” that you are connected to something greater than yourself is hardly the same as actually “being” connected to something greater than yourself. It also isn’t really a scientifically testable thesis, as such. (One might, at best, detect brain stimulation of certain types based on such feelings, which, of course, do not verify the reality of the claims.)

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January 10, 2022 - 7:19 am
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January 10, 2022 - 2:02 pm

Who is the esteemed subject of this thread, Dr. Rupert Sheldrake?

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake studied biology and biochemisty at Clare College, Cambridge.
After a year at Harvard studying philosophy and history of science, he returned to Cambridge
where he gained a PhD in biochemistry for his work in plant development and plant hormones.

And who is Mark Vernon?

He is a psychotherapist and writer, interested in spirituality and inner life.
He has a PhD in ancient philosophy, as well as degrees in physics and in theology.
His degree in Theology is from the University of Oxford.
His additional degree in Theology is from Durham University where he also earned a Physics degree.
His PhD is in Ancient Greek Philosophy from the University of Warwick.

It is an honor for these educated persons to be introduced to an audience of trade nonfiction books readers.

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January 10, 2022 - 2:10 pm

Mark Vernon is the author of

A Secret History of Christianity: Jesus, the Last Inkling and the Evolution of Consciousness
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Christianity is in crisis in the West. The Inkling friend of C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien, Owen Barfield, analysed why. He developed an account of our spiritual predicament that is radical and illuminating.

Barfield realized that the human experience of life shifts fundamentally over periods of cultural time. Our perception of nature, the cosmos and the divine changes dramatically across history.

Mark Vernon uses this startling insight to tell the inner story of 3000 years of Christianity, beginning from the earliest Biblical times. Drawing, too, on the latest scholarship and spiritual questions of our day, he presents a gripping account of how Christianity constellated a new perception of what it is to be human. For 1500 years, this sense of things informed many lives, though it fell into crisis with the Reformation, scientific revolution and Enlightenment.

But the story does not stop there. Barfield realised that there is meaning in the disenchantment and alienation experienced by many people today. It is part of a process that is remaking our sense of participation in the life of nature, the cosmos and the divine. It’s a new stage in the evolution of human consciousness.

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January 10, 2022 - 2:30 pm

Robert said

Steefen said

The opposite of gravity is levity.

This is a great line. Perhaps such posts and threads are best viewed as humorous pseudoscience.

  

 

“The Opposite of Gravity is Levity”

Reference the video: 19:30 – 27:30

Dr. Mark Vernon:

When gravity came to mean what it does now, it was cut off from what was its equal and opposite force in the Medieval world which was levity.
In the Medieval world, gravity forced you down and levity drew you up. In that world, gravity and levity were physical and spiritual dynamics. Spiritual levity was associated with air and fire that tended to rise and return to the divine whereas gravity was associated with water and earth which tended to go down and separate you from the divine. … This is Plato’s original idea: time is the moving image of eternity.

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Robert, that is humorous to you. Robert, you are in error. I do not want to know what warped sense of humor laughs at that edifying contribution to the discussion.

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January 10, 2022 - 2:40 pm

In the Medieval world gravity and levity were physical and spiritual dynamics.

Robert: Pseudo-science! LOL, Dr. Sheldrake and Dr. Vernon are ridiculous, join me in laughing at them, hey everybody, look psuedoscience (a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method).

Steefen

It was during the 16th century that Francis Bacon popularized the inductive reasoning methods that would thereafter become known as the scientific method.

And what is the timespan of the Medieval period? The answer is 500 to 1400-1500 C.E.

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January 10, 2022 - 2:45 pm

Before dying, a dog pulls himself up and gives his paw to people in his home because the dog has a psychic awareness that the humans are going to euthanize him the next day.

Telepathy between humans, but panpsychism is about telepathy between humans and animals, like this dog.

Have some respect.

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January 10, 2022 - 2:49 pm

Steefen said
Who is the esteemed subject of this thread, Dr. Rupert Sheldrake?

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake studied biology and biochemisty at Clare College, Cambridge.

After a year at Harvard studying philosophy and history of science, he returned to Cambridge

where he gained a PhD in biochemistry for his work in plant development and plant hormones.

And who is Mark Vernon?

He is a psychotherapist and writer, interested in spirituality and inner life.

He has a PhD in ancient philosophy, as well as degrees in physics and in theology.

His degree in Theology is from the University of Oxford.

His additional degree in Theology is from Durham University where he also earned a Physics degree.

His PhD is in Ancient Greek Philosophy from the University of Warwick.

It is an honor for these educated persons to be introduced to an audience of trade nonfiction books readers.

  

Esteemed by whom? There is no such thing as telepathy (outside of fiction). But perhaps you know what I am thinking now? (That should not be hard, even without telepathy.)

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January 10, 2022 - 3:21 pm
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January 11, 2022 - 10:46 am

…panpsychism is about telepathy between humans and animals, like this dog…

Actually panpsychism is the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of reality.  Everything is conscious to some degree.  But I’ve know humans I didn’t think were conscious, much less rocks!   

 

“The Opposite of Gravity is Levity”

So be careful when you laugh lest you fly off into space.  

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January 11, 2022 - 5:56 pm

Steefen
Before dying, a dog pulls himself up and gives his paw to people in his home because the dog has a psychic awareness that the humans are going to euthanize him the next day.

Telepathy between humans, but panpsychism is about telepathy between humans and animals, like this dog.

Stephen
Actually panpsychism is the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of reality.

Steefen
Stephen’s definition is unnecessary and it is a distraction from the case presented. Stephen is probably trying to roll back case evidence that establishes the phenomenon rather than proposes it for belief.

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January 11, 2022 - 8:42 pm

Steefen
Stephen’s definition is unnecessary and it is a distraction from the case presented. Stephen is probably trying to roll back case evidence that establishes the phenomenon rather than proposes it for belief.

Can you provide “evidence that establishes the phenomenon”  rather than “proposes it for belief”?  

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January 12, 2022 - 5:52 am

Stephen said
Steefen

Stephen’s definition is unnecessary and it is a distraction from the case presented. Stephen is probably trying to roll back case evidence that establishes the phenomenon rather than proposes it for belief.

Can you provide “evidence that establishes the phenomenon”  rather than “proposes it for belief”?  

  

He will send that telepathically.

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January 12, 2022 - 2:43 pm

Steefen said

  

The I Ching comes to mind when I watch this video.

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