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Well to be honest about it you would have to at least raise the question of authorship. There are still reputable NT scholars who argue that Colossians is authentically Pauline but the issues are such that you can’t simply assume it’s Pauline. I have to confess that after reading Ehrman’s Forgery and Counterforgery it’s hard for me to maintain Pauline authorship. Ehrman makes a strong case for forgery. So if I’m understanding your question, not to raise the issue would be misleading. Not to confront the idea that Colossians is a record of post-Pauline thought would be misleading.
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Enoch and Philo mentioned the Son being the image of God
I do not agree with that.
Colossians 2:9
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.
All the fullness of the Deity did not live in bodily form.
Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
Against Judaism
When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
Hyperbole
Colossians 3:22
Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
Problematic verse
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Where was God’s grace when the rebels began the Jewish Revolt?
In the same place it’s always been. In the imagination of the believer.
I do not agree with that.
On Judgement Day the Most High will remember you said that.
All the fullness of the Deity did not live in bodily form.
au contraire, mon ami, as late as the Fourth century CE there were still sects of Christians in Egypt and elsewhere who believed in an embodied God. I suggest you investigate the so-called Anthropomorphite Controversy of 399. Go ** you do not have permission to see this link ** and be filled with wonder at one of the funkier byways of Christianity.
Problematic verse
Yes but let’s pause and consider the implications of this sentiment having to be expressed in a Pauline forgery in the first place. Apocalyptic fervor has cooled. Class distinctions have reasserted themselves. Certain expectations engendered by the preaching of Paul himself (see Galatians 3:28) are being actively suppressed.
Many, many years ago, I was part of a church group (chiefly for social reasons), and I mostly went along with whatever vague and pretty superficial discussions they did, until they wanted to start a sequence of close readings. I tried to point out that none of us were skilled in the original languages necessary for a close reading (and now, I understand, so many other issues as well). I left when I discovered that they were literally horrified to find that I did not accept the idea that the world was literally created in 6 literal days, and that I thought evolution made more sense than the idea that we were all created from mud.
There are already so many misconceptions that are deeply embedded in these various kinds of groups that I am not sure one more really makes much difference.
Steefen said
Colossians 3:22Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.
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Very problematic.
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