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James was Argumentation, Paul was manipulative Rhetoric. Paul's Jesus Lasted for a Long Time--Paul's Jesus (God) Made Flesh and Why Paul has Priority over the Gospels.
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April 5, 2026 - 3:21 pm

James was Argumentation, Paul was manipulative Rhetoric. Paul’s Jesus Lasted for a Long Time–Paul’s Jesus (God) Made Flesh and Why Paul has Priority over the Gospels.

 

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There is no Oral Tradition of Jesus’ biography with Paul inventing Jesus first, it’s just Paul’s one-man show.

Second, there are the Synoptic Gospels, the historical fiction invented after Paul’s Jesus.

Third, there is the Gospel of John.

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April 10, 2026 - 10:29 pm

Paul did not witness the crucifixion.

Paul was not at the resurrection encounters below.

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Yes, according to the Gospel of Luke (24:30-43), Jesus shared meals or broke bread with disciples on the Sunday of his resurrection. He broke bread with two disciples in Emmaus and later ate broiled fish with the eleven in Jerusalem to prove he was physically resurrected. 
Key details regarding resurrection meals on Sunday:
  • ** you do not have permission to see this link **: Jesus appeared to two disciples and, while at the table, “took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to them,” at which point they recognized him (Luke 24:30–31).
  • ** you do not have permission to see this link **: Later that Sunday evening, Jesus appeared to the disciples, showed his wounds, and ate a piece of broiled fish in their presence (Luke 24:42–43).
  • Context: These actions were performed to demonstrate that his resurrection was physical, not just a spiritual or ghostly appearance.

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June 28, 2026 - 7:21 pm

Steefen said
James was Argumentation, Paul was manipulative Rhetoric.

Paul was a genius.

Paul’s Jesus Lasted for a Long Time–Paul’s Jesus (God) Made Flesh and Why Paul has Priority over the Gospels.

 
For Discussion and Probable Agreement
There is no Oral Tradition of Jesus’ biography with Paul inventing Jesus first, it’s just Paul’s one-man show.
Second, there are the Synoptic Gospels, the historical fiction invented after Paul’s Jesus.
Third, there is the Gospel of John.
  

Christianity spread like fire – how do you explain that?

Who wrote the ACTS? How come all the disciples of Jesus accepted Paul? How come he even corrected Peter? The only problem we are aware of, is the one with Asia Minor, and the capital Ephesus, the topic I have here

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3rd, the Gospel of John is my favorite, ask what confuses you about it. Regarding your claim about inventing – prove it, priority – that was strategic choice to wright down the Gospels later, when they realised Parusia is not imminent. In the beginning faith spreaded through miracles, nobody would bother to read, and probably majority were illiterate.
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