Bart Ehrman Blog Readers Forum

A A A
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Min search length: 3 characters / Max search length: 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_TopicIcon
Mary Magdalene
Avatar
Cwellik805

1 Posts
(Offline)
1
November 12, 2022 - 3:37 pm

When Paul sends greetings in ** you do not have permission to see this link **, where he writes: “Greet Mary, who has worked very hard among you, could he be referring to Mary Magdalene?

Avatar
Robert
7063 Posts
(Offline)
2
November 13, 2022 - 6:52 am
Avatar
Stephen
4489 Posts
(Offline)
3
November 13, 2022 - 7:51 pm

Yes, welcome, Cwellik805!  What I always wondered is which historical Mary were all these NT Marys named after?  Moses’ sister seems like a natural candidate but a little research favors two of King Herod’s wives who were personally very popular among the people.  There is a bit of a historical mystery because the name Salome was also very popular at the time.  The only NT Salome of course is the infamous one.  Marys abound in the NT, but where are all the Salomes?    

Avatar
Porphyry

1834 Posts
(Offline)
4
November 14, 2022 - 2:49 am

 The only NT Salome of course is the infamous one.    

  

Mark puts a Salome at the crucifixion (Mk 15:40) and among the women at the tomb (Mk 16:1).

Avatar
Stephen
4489 Posts
(Offline)
5
November 14, 2022 - 10:27 am

Porphyry said

 The only NT Salome of course is the infamous one.    

  

Mark puts a Salome at the crucifixion (Mk 15:40) and among the women at the tomb (Mk 16:1).

  

Thanks for the correction!  It turns out that the infamous Salome is not actually named in the accounts we have in Mark and Matthew, merely identified as the daughter of Herodias.  It was Josephus who named her and apparently all writers since have followed him.   

Avatar
Porphyry

1834 Posts
(Offline)
6
November 14, 2022 - 11:46 am

Stephen said

Porphyry said

 The only NT Salome of course is the infamous one.    

  

Mark puts a Salome at the crucifixion (Mk 15:40) and among the women at the tomb (Mk 16:1).

  

Thanks for the correction!  It turns out that the infamous Salome is not actually named in the accounts we have in Mark and Matthew, merely identified as the daughter of Herodias.  It was Josephus who named her and apparently all writers since have followed him.   

  

Interesting; I hadn’t realized that. 

I would add, at the risk of hijacking the thread, I continue to be perplexed by the gospels’ casually naming obscure figures. And the names they offer for who did what, frequently don’t match up with each other. 

Were these figures known personally to their audience? 
Were they known by reputation? 
Were the people largely forgotten, and these names in the gospels are echos of some historically reliable tradition (but then, why are they mentioned so casually, as though the names meant something to the reader? And if they are historical echos, why do the gospels so frequently give different names for what is evidently the same person?)
Were the names just invented out of whole cloth to make the narrative more convincing; perhaps even as a ploy to make the gospel seem more primitive than it actually was, you know, pretend your audience is familiar with a bunch of now forgotten members of the primitive Jesus movement?

Forum Timezone: America/Indiana/Indianapolis
All RSSShow Stats
Administrators:
BDEhrman
FreedomBen
evgendob
Robert
Top Posters:
Steefen: 7640
Stephen: 4489
Porphyry: 1834
godspell: 1827
DavidFord: 1323
brenmcg: 1184
BJH1960: 1149
Colin Milton: 1142
JAS: 948
Jarek: 936
Newest Members:
ntcartwright
Jltomsik
JackIII
jim2day
mgrandy64
jeffweng
Dmanny1204
Bercan
abreupedro
muk977
Forum Stats:
Groups: 2
Forums: 13
Topics: 2597
Posts: 45763

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 65
Members: 65742
Moderators: 0
Admins: 4
Most Users Ever Online: 3559
Currently Online: Steefen, Tjalling
Guest(s) 77
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)