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Contemporary Talmud writings on early Christianity
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godspell

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September 11, 2019 - 8:00 pm

Stephen thinks he turned out pretty well, in spite of being raised by ‘batshit crazy Christians’ (and I have no reason to question his description, though it does reek of self-dramatizing).  I wouldn’t doubt that he’s risen above the circumstances of his upbringing.  

There’s a different Stephen, raised in what seems by all accounts to be an exceptional family.  Prosperous, educated, liberal-minded, tolerant, generous.  

He was given every possible advantage, raised in the best traditions of his country.  And like all Jewish Americans, made aware from childhood of the terrible consequences of race-baiting demagoguery.  Perhaps you’ve heard of him?

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The Sheep and the Goats.

That’s not in Isaiah.  That was original, Stephen.  I mean the Stephen here. No point talking to the other one.    

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September 12, 2019 - 3:43 pm

How terrible for you godspell not to have any sense of humor at all. But you do have some facility with YouTube so that obviously provides some consolation. 

I don’t know Stephen Miller, no, but then I haven’t owned a television since 1998. 

The image of ‘the sheep and the goats’ seems to come from Zechariah 10:3 or most likely from a pool of imagery that Jesus derived from his Jewish traditions which of course included Z 10:3.      

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September 12, 2019 - 3:52 pm

You really tuned out, huh?  I guess that kind of figures.  Did you even bother to vote?

Images aren’t ideas.  Zechariah might have suggested the image (or living in rural Galilee), but the idea is what matters–that regardless of background, regardless of class, regardless of race, regardless of religion, regardless of lack of religion, regardless of education, regardless of whether or not they had a great upbringing–some people just turn out rotten.  And prey upon the ones who are decent and honorable.  Nurture is a thing, but nature wins out in the end.   The opposite is also true–people coming from horrible backgrounds can be amazing–people with little in the way of formal education can far outstrip their better-educated peers in terms of genuine erudition.  The Sheep and the Goats is the most profound and original truth any human being has ever come across.  It explains why all our systems fail–because the goats always infiltrate.  They’ve already infiltrated atheism, in all its forms.  They corrupted it a lot faster than Christianity. 

As Mark Twain said, show me a man who knows what’s funny, and I’ll show you a man who knows what isn’t.

Stephen Miller isn’t funny, but you sure as hell are.  😀

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September 12, 2019 - 7:38 pm

Okay, one more thing, and if you like, we can just stop talking, if that’s what it was.

This was bugging me all the way home.

I naturally assumed anybody with a few functioning brain cells knows Stephen Miller is the crazy far-right racist senior policy advisor to the ‘President’ (You know who the President is, right?  I really don’t think I’m up to explaining that if you don’t.  I’m just going to assume).  So I was a a tad nonplussed, I admit it, when you blurted out that you don’t know who that is.  You could have just googled.  I would have googled.  Hell, I would have just watched the YouTube video.  But that’s me.

But then it hit me–“I haven’t owned a television since 1998.”  

Yes, but you are on the internet.  You have some form of digital device that allows you to see the words I’m typing now, and to type more words in response.

Hello?  Doofus?  Who the heck is dependent on television for their knowledge of current events in the Year of Our Lord 2019?

Should somebody mail you a scroll?  

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September 12, 2019 - 7:38 pm

You really tuned out, huh?

Fascinating response.  You simply assume that a person who doesn’t watch TV has “tuned out”.  This is possibly more revealing about your own personal viewing habits than you might wish.  You’re not one of those folks who watches TV six hours a day are you?  Nah, that would cut into YouTube time.  Or do you only do that while you’re supposed to be working?  (How do you stand the commercials? They literally make me physically ill.)

I’m a reader.  Yes I know everyone says that but I am.  Probably 90% of my information and entertainment comes from reading. 

After 9/11 I was a bit concerned about the issue of being “disconnected” from the larger culture but I was cured of that when I noticed that all my friends were coming to me to ask questions about Islam, its history and beliefs.  I was flattered but a little horrified.  All that news coverage and how little they were gleaning over an issue that would lead up to war.  After that I realized I wasn’t the one being disconnected. 

 

Look I know you won’t understand this but I am very concerned that this personal back and forth will prevent others who might genuinely be interested in participating from feeling comfortable in this forum.  I haven’t been posting very much as of late so I don’t think anyone will be terribly put out if I take a break.  Would you like to join me?  Maybe clear out the eco-system for some fresh growth?

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godspell

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September 12, 2019 - 7:43 pm

Don’t readers read, like, I dunno, newspapers?  Magazines?  Physical copies or online.  

I know you can’t understand this, but you’ve been making this a hostile environment long before I showed up here.  

The very last thing I want is to join  you, but if you’re serious about not posting here a while, maybe I’ll follow suit.  

There’s too many crazy people in here.  I hadn’t considered you the worst case.  Starting to reconsider.

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