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Hebrew Torah to Greek Torah ? ? ? ?Ptolemy II Philadelphus reign: 284 BCE to 246 BCE |No Reason to have it in Greek before Then ? ? ?
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December 23, 2024 - 9:36 pm

Start at 5:10 of 2:29.23

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December 23, 2024 - 10:45 pm

Isaiah Chapter 3 was originally written in GReek.

I pick up at 1 hr 11:43.

His special guest enters the video at that point.

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December 24, 2024 - 2:57 pm

Biblical minimalism, also known as the Copenhagen School because two of its most prominent figures taught at Copenhagen University, is a movement or trend in biblical scholarship that began in the 1990s with two main claims:

that the Bible cannot be considered reliable evidence for what had happened in ancient Israel; and
that “Israel” itself is a problematic subject for historical study.[1]

Minimalism is not a unified movement, but rather a label that came to be applied to several scholars at different universities who held similar views, chiefly Niels Peter Lemche and Thomas L. Thompson at the University of Copenhagen, Philip R. Davies, and Keith Whitelam. Minimalism gave rise to intense debate during the 1990s—the term “minimalists” was in fact a derogatory one given by its opponents, who were consequently dubbed “maximalists”, but in fact neither side accepted either label.[citation needed]

Maximalists, or neo-Albrightians, are composed of two quite distinct groups, the first represented by the archaeologist William Dever and the influential publication Biblical Archaeology Review, the second by biblical scholar Iain Provan and Egyptologist Kenneth Kitchen.[2] Although these debates were in some cases heated, most scholars occupied the middle ground, evaluating the arguments of both schools critically.

Since the 1990s, while some of the minimalist arguments have been challenged or rejected, others have been refined and adopted into the mainstream of biblical scholarship.[3]

Continued at Wikipedia entry for Biblical minimalism

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Gnostic Informant says the Merneptah Stele does not show “Israel.”

He showed sources that the people of Moses came from Greece, not Canaan.
Coins show Yahweh came from Greece in addition to Yahweh coming from Canaan from under El.
Conclusion: Joseph came from the Levant but another group came from Greece.

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December 24, 2024 - 3:49 pm

“The Greeks were influencing the world before Alexander the Great.”

Psalms are Greek.

Musaeus of Athens is a Moses figure.
He’s a Moses figure and a Davidic figure.

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December 24, 2024 - 4:26 pm

@jodown5584
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This was definitely a top tier episode. 😮 I am so happy to be alive at a time when I can see scholarship like this unfolding in real time. 😊 Thank you both so much for all that you do! 🙏

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A true gift is when you receive the truth to a matter you have been lied to about your whole life. Thank you !!

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All i can say is thank you for this. Incredible. Became a sub.

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I love it I can’t get enough you are definitely doing the world a service n for that thank u

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I saw u for the first time on the Danny Jones podcast just yesterday. I’ve been hooked ever since! I’m excited to hear u tell more!

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You both are wonderful, thank you so much!!

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Bittersweet and tragicomic what has taken place. This presentation was pure brilliance tho .
You’ve definitely won me over, have to admit. I just can’t deny this evidence.

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Let the truth be told 💯 😮

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December 24, 2024 - 9:46 pm

ANCIENT HISTORIAN DESTROYS EVERYTHING WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE BIBLE id the full name of the video.

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Yahweh is Yahoo. A second scholar, Prof. Gad Barnea, Ph.D uses this pronunciation.

Yahwism under the Achaemenid Empire

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December 24, 2024 - 9:56 pm

This is a SURPRISE ! ! !

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December 24, 2024 - 10:01 pm

Magus / Magi

Moses / Musaeus

There’s that Musaeus again.

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December 24, 2024 - 10:52 pm

@jodown5584
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Thank you both so much for this conversation. 🙏 😊

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Really great interview. You’re bringing to light truths that most won’t be open to hear. Don’t let that stop you. I’m taking that advise for myself also. 💖

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The truth is coming out slowly…

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Amazing episode!! Needs to be seen by everyone!

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December 25, 2024 - 5:55 am
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December 25, 2024 - 8:50 pm

Hebrew Bible /
Hebrew Torah to Greek Torah ? ? ? ?Ptolemy II Philadelphus reign: 284 BCE to 246 BCE |No Reason to have it in Greek before Then ? ? ?

Thank you.

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December 25, 2024 - 11:19 pm

@Robert is supposed to be moving a video with some of its comments over here.

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Gnostic Informant
1 hr 15 minutes
Tacitus Book Vm Section 2

The Jews were from the island of Crete.
They were exiles from Crete.
After their exile, they settled in Libya.
When?
When Jove/Jupiter/Zeus deposed and expelled Saturn

Tacitus says, some thought they were Assyrian refugees who got control of a part of Egypt.

Steefen
Hyksos?

Gnostic Informant:
The Philistines came from Crete.

Tacitusm Section 3:
Pharaoh Boccherus was told to gather the Hebrews and put them in the desert.
Moses told them not to put their hope in gods or men. Trust yourself.
Section 4
Ammon didn’t like the Hebrews.

Who is Bocchoris (Bakenranef)?
He was king of the 24th Dynasty of Egypt.

Steefen: That seems late for an Exodus but I’m going to let Tacitus tell history.

Wikipedia:
This king was based at Sais in the western Delta–only for 5 or 6 years: 725 to 720 BCE.

Gnostic Informant has as a source: Aelian who wrote, Characteristics of Animals.
Claudius Aelianus, commonly Aelian, born at Praeneste, was a Roman author and teacher of rhetoric who flourished under Septimius Severus and probably outlived Elagabalus, who died in 222. Wikipedia

Gnostic Informant changes his mind on using Aelians and uses Manetho instead.

Gnostic Informant agrees this is a little late for an Exodus.

Then he goes to Herodotus, The Persian Wars, Book V and start talking about alphabets.

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Merneptah Stele

Steefen: I studied that but it must of hit my cutting room floor.

Israel is unknown before 725 BCE.

The bulk of the inscription deals with Merneptah’s victory over the LIBYANS, but the closing lines shift to Canaan:

Plundered in the Canaan with every evil.
Israel is laid waste–its seed is no more.

BUT “Israel” is a mistranslation, a premature translation.
ysrir may not be Israel. I.si.ri.ar may not be Israel.

Pick up at 1:42:33

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December 26, 2024 - 1:56 pm

Gnostic Informant

There is a coin of Iao/Yao/Yahweh depicted as Zeus holding an eagle.
4th century BCE (Persian period)

Greece was influential in the east (and the Middle East) before Alex the Great

Here’s another coin. Instead of Yao, he says this one says Yahweh. And there is a second coin, same thing.

Diodorus says Iao is the God of Moses, a syncrenistic God.
Macrobius mentions this too.

Ambrosius Theodosius Macrobius (flourished ad 400) was a Latin grammarian and philosopher whose most important work is the Saturnalia, the last known example of the long series of symposia headed by the Symposium of Plato.

Chaldean oracles say Iao is the name of Bacchus.

Herodotus, Book 1 of the Persian Wars, 199
Cyrene the highest part of Libya which the nomads inhabited.

Barca, an Ancient Greek City in northeastern Libya

STEEFEN: So, with Hebrews in Libya before Alex the Great, Hebrews were under Greek influence.

Gnostic Informant:
During the Persian Period, according to Herodotus, Persian Wars, Book IV, the Persians went to Bacca and took the Ionians and the Greeks out and moved them to Batria where there were Greek cities there. That’s why when Alex got there he was seen as a liberator.

Then he tells a story from Aerian.

The first time Abraham and Moses are mentioned is Hecataeus of Abdero, then Manethos.

Hecataeus of Abdera or of Teos, was a Greek historian who flourished in the 4th century BC. Though none of his works survive, his writings are attested by later authors in various fragments, in particular his Aegyptica, a work on the society and culture of the Egyptians, and his On the Hyperboreans. Wikipedia

Hebrews left Ancient Israel to go to Elephantine in the 500s find papyri that do not mention Abraham, Noah, Moses, David, and more–480 BCE.

Herodotus reports that during the reign of Pelsistratus at Athens, the scholar Onomacritus collected and arranged the oracles of Musaeus–Oracles of Moses.

Nusaeus of Athens (Moses) was the son of Orpheus.

EUSEBIUS IDENTIFIES MUSAEUS WITH MOSES THE JEWISH LAW BRINGER. That is Museaeus’legacy.

So the Torah takes Musaeus of Athens and fictionalizes him in Greek, not Hebrew, into a lawgiver out of Egypt.

Pick up at 1:57:19

@Stephen
“Actual Hebrew scholars will laught at this.”
Comment 6 of Other Relevant Issues, Very Advanced Topic…

@Robert
Ammon makes a wild claims about the Hebrew of the Torah being a translation of the LXX.
Comment 10 of Other Relevant Issues, Very Advanced Topic…

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December 26, 2024 - 2:03 pm

Steve Campbell, author of
Historical Accuracy (of the Bible, First Edition)

The second edition of my book must include Eusebius saying Moses is based on Musaeus of Athens.
I’m going to have to include Hebrews in Crete and Libya. I HAVE TO INCLUDE HERODOTUS.

This is not a wild claim that the Septuagint scholars worked from Greek not Hebrew.
This is not something actual Hebrew scholars would laugh at.

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December 26, 2024 - 5:09 pm

Who is the god Iao?

Chat said:

The god Iao is a complex figure whose identity has been interpreted differently across various cultures and time periods. The name “Iao” is often associated with ancient Jewish, Gnostic, and Hellenistic traditions. Here are the primary contexts in which Iao appears:
1. Jewish and Hellenistic Contexts

Tetragrammaton Connection: Iao is sometimes identified as a representation of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), the sacred four-letter name of God in the Hebrew Bible. The name may be a transliteration or abbreviation of YHWH, pronounced in Greek as “Iao” or “Iaō.”
Syncretism: During the Hellenistic period, Jewish monotheistic beliefs sometimes merged with Greek traditions. Iao was occasionally equated with Zeus, reflecting the attempt to link the Hebrew God with the supreme deity of Greek religion.

2. Gnostic Tradition

In Gnostic cosmology, Iao appears as one of the names for Yaldabaoth, the demiurge. The demiurge is a subordinate god who creates the material world, often portrayed as ignorant or malevolent in Gnostic texts.
Iao is sometimes depicted as one of the archons, spiritual rulers of the material realm, often in opposition to the higher, true God.

3. Magical and Mystical Contexts

Magical Texts: In Greco-Roman magical papyri, Iao appears frequently as an invocation or magical name, often alongside other divine epithets.
Mystical Interpretations: The name Iao was used in mystical or esoteric traditions to access divine power, sometimes combined with other sacred names to form powerful incantations.

4. Christian Gnosticism

Some Gnostic Christians viewed Iao as a misunderstood or incomplete representation of God, differing from the ineffable true God of their belief system. This interpretation reflects their broader critique of mainstream Jewish and Christian theological frameworks.

Symbolism

The name Iao often carries connotations of divine authority, creative power, and mystery. Its use in various traditions reflects both reverence and reinterpretation of ancient Jewish theological concepts in broader cultural and spiritual contexts.

Would you like to explore any specific tradition or source regarding Iao?

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December 26, 2024 - 5:12 pm

The specific tradition or source regarding Iao I would like to explore is the Jewish and Hellenistic context. In the Hellenistic context, did Iao create the world and humans? Was there a flood story? If so, what was the name of the Noah character? Was there a Moses story? What is the summary of that story? This god Iao appears in how many countries and when?

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December 26, 2024 - 5:15 pm

Chat said:

The god Iao in the Jewish and Hellenistic context is an intriguing figure, especially given the blending of Jewish monotheism with Hellenistic polytheistic traditions. Let’s address each of your questions:
1. Did Iao create the world and humans in the Hellenistic context?

In the Hellenistic context, Iao is often associated with the supreme creator God due to his identification with the Hebrew God (YHWH). However, his role as a world creator depends on the source:

Jewish-Hellenistic Syncretism: Iao, equated with YHWH, is often viewed as the creator of the cosmos and humanity, similar to the biblical account in Genesis. This perspective aligns with Jewish monotheistic traditions but was reinterpreted within Greek philosophical frameworks.

Gnostic Interpretations: In some Gnostic traditions influenced by Hellenistic thought, Iao was seen as a demiurge—a subordinate deity responsible for creating the material world. Here, the creation is imperfect or flawed, as the demiurge lacks knowledge of the true, ineffable God.

2. Was there a flood story in the Hellenistic Iao tradition?

Flood narratives are not directly associated with Iao in surviving Hellenistic-Jewish texts. However, the broader Jewish tradition of the flood (as in the story of Noah) would likely have been attributed to Iao when he was equated with YHWH.

In Gnostic myths where Iao appears as a demiurge, the flood story is sometimes reinterpreted to highlight the conflict between the true God and the demiurge’s actions.

Noah Character: In Jewish tradition, Noah is the flood hero. If the Hellenistic syncretism identified Iao with YHWH, Noah’s role and the flood story would likely be preserved without significant change, though no specific Hellenistic Noah figure is attested.

3. Was there a Moses story? If so, what is the summary?

Yes, the Moses story is central to Jewish tradition and would have been carried into the Hellenistic context, with Iao identified as the God who guided Moses. Here’s a brief summary of the story:

Exodus and Revelation: Moses, chosen by Iao (YHWH), leads the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt after a series of miraculous plagues. At Mount Sinai, Moses receives the Torah, including the Ten Commandments, directly from Iao. This event establishes the covenant between God and the Israelites.

Hellenistic Retellings: In Hellenistic Jewish works like the writings of Philo of Alexandria and the historian Josephus, Moses is portrayed as a philosopher, lawgiver, and divine emissary. Iao is emphasized as the supreme, rational deity revealing his will through Moses.

4. This god Iao appears in how many countries and when?

Countries and Spread:

Judea/Israel: Originates as a name for the God of Israel (YHWH).
Egypt: Found in Hellenistic Jewish communities in Alexandria. Iao is often equated with the Egyptian god Amun or Zeus-Amun.
Greece and Rome: Iao appears in magical texts and syncretic traditions, equated with Zeus or used as a divine name in Greco-Roman mystical practices.
Syria and Mesopotamia: Appears in mystical traditions influenced by both Jewish and Babylonian religious ideas.

Timeline:

3rd–1st Century BCE: Hellenistic syncretism integrates Iao into Greek and Egyptian religious systems.
1st–4th Century CE: Gnostic texts and Greco-Roman magical papyri frequently invoke Iao as a divine name or demiurge.

Conclusion

In the Hellenistic context, Iao is a hybrid figure combining the Jewish God with Greek and Egyptian traditions. While he may have retained associations with world creation, flood narratives, and Moses, these stories were adapted to fit the philosophical and spiritual frameworks of the time.

Would you like deeper insights into the flood story or Moses’ portrayal in Hellenistic literature?

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December 26, 2024 - 5:17 pm

How is Musaeo of Athens connected to Iao?

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Chat said:

Musaeus of Athens, often identified as a mythical or semi-mythical figure, holds a significant connection to the divine name Iao in the context of mystical and Orphic traditions. Let’s explore this connection:
Who is Musaeus of Athens?

Musaeus, traditionally considered a son or disciple of the legendary poet Orpheus, is described as an ancient seer, poet, and mystic in Greek mythology. He was associated with sacred knowledge, prophecy, and the composition of hymns and oracles.
He is credited with advancing Orphic religious practices and composing mystical hymns, some of which are linked to initiatory and theurgical rituals.

The Connection to Iao

Musaeus’ association with Iao emerges through the syncretism of Orphic, Hellenistic Jewish, and mystical traditions:

Orphic Influence:
The Orphic tradition sought to understand the cosmos and the divine through mystical hymns, sacred texts, and rituals aimed at purifying the soul.
In the Hellenistic period, Orphic theology began to incorporate names and concepts from Jewish monotheism, including the divine name Iao, as a symbol of the supreme, ineffable God.

Jewish-Hellenistic Syncretism:
Jewish communities in Alexandria and other Hellenistic centers often blended their theological concepts with Greek philosophy and religion.
The divine name Iao, a transliteration of YHWH, was adopted into magical and mystical texts, sometimes appearing in Orphic hymns or magical papyri attributed to figures like Musaeus.

Mystical Texts and Hymns:
Some ancient texts, including the Greco-Roman magical papyri, invoke Iao alongside other divine names. While not directly attributed to Musaeus, these texts often draw on the same Orphic and mystical traditions to which Musaeus is linked.
Musaeus’ role as a mythical poet and prophet made him an ideal figure to attribute hymns and invocations that included Iao as a representation of the supreme divine power.

Philosophical Syncretism:
In the Hellenistic period, Musaeus and Orphic traditions were sometimes reinterpreted through Platonic philosophy, which emphasized a supreme, singular source of creation. Iao, as a monotheistic divine name, aligned with these philosophical ideals.

Historical and Mystical Role of Iao in Musaeus’ Context

As a Supreme Name: In texts influenced by Orphism and Jewish mysticism, Iao often appears as the ineffable name of God, embodying the creative and sustaining power of the universe.
As a Magical Invocation: Musaeus’ connection to Iao likely comes from his role as a mythical mystic and his association with sacred hymns and rituals that invoked divine names for spiritual ascent or cosmic understanding.

Conclusion

While there is no direct evidence of Musaeus explicitly composing hymns to Iao, the Orphic and mystical traditions he is associated with played a crucial role in integrating Iao into Hellenistic religious and magical practices. Musaeus’ legendary status as a prophet and hymnographer would have made him a fitting figure to be linked to such divine invocations in later mystical and magical traditions.

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