
You’re going to waste one of your questions on a sarcastic jibe?
Are the questions being asked of Jesus while he’s still alive (through time travel, or whatever) or of Jesus after he’s been crucified. I am not asking him questions on the cross, because that’s REALLY harsh, insensitive, and un-loving.

Assuming the questions were being asked of Jesus during his life:
1) How will people live in the Kingdom?
2)Will people die in the Kingdom, and if so, what happens to them afterwards?
3)Do you expect to be in the Kingdom yourself, and if not, where will you be?
(It would be unpardonably rude to ask about his parents.)

The 3 questions are for the historical Jesus. Since the resurrection is considered by most ‘historical Jesus scholars’ non-historical, the questions are for pre-resurrection, but not neccessarily pre-crucifixion. As for my first question about “get thee behind me Satan”, this was genuine: it is something that troubles me.
These are may other two:
2. Did you think that that people living at the time of your ministry would see the ‘the son of man coming in the clouds with great glory’ and all the apocalyptic events you said would happen before that?
3. Did you somehow know in advance that you were going to be crucified, if so when?

I don’t see how you think you’re going to get any coherent answers out of him while he’s hanging on the cross. Maybe while he’s awaiting crucifixion in a cell (you could bribe a guard), but isn’t that a lot worse than the “Get thee behind me!” thing? Well, maybe he’d appreciate the distraction. Hey, maybe you could arrange to be crucified next to him. 😉
Here’s how I’d imagine he’d answer your questions, waiting in that cell to be crucified:
1. I’m a man, and therefore a sinner. My temper gets the better of me sometimes. Peter has greatness in him, but sometimes his understanding lags. He still doesn’t understand who I really am. He must be so afraid now. I wish I could comfort him.
2. Yes.
3. Have you heard of John the Baptist? No man was ever greater in the eyes of God than he. And he was killed. That was when I knew. A messenger of God can be killed like any other man. But I thought perhaps I could choose the time and place–and perhaps my death might serve a higher purpose……only God knows for sure. I’m still waiting for Him to tell me if I chose correctly.
Yeah only three is hard. But just for fun…
(Note: my scenario assumes he did not survive the crucifixion so would necessarily pre-date that catastrophe.)
1. Are you the Jewish Messiah?
2. What will the Kingdom of God be like?
3. What was your relationship with John the Baptist?

Very interesting reply, godspell. Your hypothetical Jesus answer to my Q1 hits the nail on the head and is the reason the passage troubles me. If you are right, then I would feel deeply disappointed that my view of Jesus is too ‘high’. Similarly, if you are right about Jesus’s answers to Q2 & Q3, then I am disappointed, but less so, because although I have think that Jesus, did have foreknowledge of specific events, I have never thought of Jesus as being omniscient (that would be ridiculous) and I could more easily assimilate into my beliefs and understanding, Jesus being mistaken about timings or details of future events (in his own words, ‘no one knows the date, not even the son..’).

Stephen said
Yeah only three is hard. But just for fun…(Note: my scenario assumes he did not survive the crucifixion so would necessarily pre-date that catastrophe.)
1. Are you the Jewish Messiah?
2. What will the Kingdom of God be like?
3. What was your relationship with John the Baptist?
You’d never get a straight answer out of him on the first question.
The second is an essay question, so hopefully he can write.
I think the answer to the third is one of the few things we really can know–John was his teacher, and the one person he most revered and idealized–and to some extent rebelled against, as so often happens.

Neurotheologian said
Very interesting reply, godspell. Your hypothetical Jesus answer to my Q1 hits the nail on the head and is the reason the passage troubles me. If you are right, then I would feel deeply disappointed that my view of Jesus is too ‘high’. Similarly, if you are right about Jesus’s answers to Q2 & Q3, then I am disappointed, but less so, because although I have think that Jesus, did have foreknowledge of specific events, I have never thought of Jesus as being omniscient (that would be ridiculous) and I could more easily assimilate into my beliefs and understanding, Jesus being mistaken about timings or details of future events (in his own words, ‘no one knows the date, not even the son..’).
I prefer to think of Jesus as human and fallible–it makes what he achieved all the more remarkable, and it means that we don’t have to be born of virgins, free of original sin, to rise above the worst in our natures. Jesus was not, by all accounts, an abusive master to his disciples, male and female–the reason they had visions of him alive after his death was that they’d loved him so deeply. The loss was devastating.

How about a variation on the theme? What three questions would you ask Pontius Pilate? (You could do this at the same time you talked to Jesus–just make sure you have your finger on the button of your time machine that sends you back, in case he’s stilll in a crucifying mood).
Maybe years later, as Anatole France surmised, he would have forgotten there ever was such a person as Jesus, but the events should be fairly fresh in his mind that day. Just walk over to the Procurator’s palatial residence in Jerusalem, after you visit Jesus in his cell. I’m sure he’d see you. (Don’t mention his lisp.)
1. Does the name Barabbas mean anything to you?
2. What did this Jesus fellow have to say for himself? Did you tarry for an answer?
3. After a long career in civil service, what do you think you’ll be best remembered for?
Fun. 🙂

Your comment that they loved him so deeply is poignant. There can be no doubt for anyone with intelligence, that Jesus was one of the most remarkable men in history, even without “The Triumph of Christianity”. Sinfullness and fallibility are not exactly the same. Fallibility could just mean for example not being omniscient. I am not sure there is evidence in any of the ancient manuscripts (cannonical or non-cannonical) that Jesus sinned? You may say this is hardly surprising, but actually, is it not suprisingly that nothing negative at all was written? If we judge Jesus as a sinner, then I think we do this by supposition on the basis of historical probability ie every other human being who’s ever been ‘born of woman’ is a sinner. Actually, this itself is a mystery, why are all human beings sinful? But maybe there was just one human who wasn’t sinful? if true, would this be more of a mystery? That his followers loved him deeply and were devastated after his death is of course one of the evidences that has been used to support the resurrection. The converse wishful thinking argument doesn’t persuade me: ghost-like appearances of a deceased person to their loved ones, yes, but how many bereaved people have ever gone round proclaiming that their lost one has been bodily resurrected? Just thinking aloud (or in writing)

Jesus believed the thought was as much as the deed, when it came to sin (though not when it came to doing good, which is certainly setting the bar quite high). I think we can take it for granted that he was, by his own definition, a sinner. And probably not just in his thoughts. It seems likely to me that he would have considered his harsh words to Peter sinful. Jesus seemed much more concerned with sins relating to mistreatment of others than he did with sexual sin. This might explain why he was so lenient with the woman takein in adultery, and spent so much time with people considered to be of loose morals. It matters, but it’s not the most important thing.

Good points again, but it seems to me that you are very reasonably making a probalistic argument that Jesus was a sinner in thought and deed – ie it’s highly likely on the basis of waht we know about human beings – without exception. It’s important to note that a good variety of NT authors considered Jesus sinless: Jhn 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? 2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth 1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Heb 4:15 – For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Another possibility to consider, particularly since Jesus submitted to the Baptism of John (… ‘for the forgiveness of sins’), is that from that point onward, ie during his ministry, he remained sinless.

I’d be curious to know what argument we can make about a Jesus that is not probabilistic. Other than that he ate, slept, and shat. Sorry for that execrable joke, but obviously his disciples would have been him crap by the roadside as they traveled together. No public restrooms in Galilee, pretty sure. You can love and admire somebody you’ve squatted behind a bush with, but probably will not come to the conclusion he’s a pre-existent divine being. That had to wait for later.
In my opinion, we have not one word written by anyone who knew Jesus the man. And that’s true for many figure in ancient history far more prominent in their lifetimes than Jesus was in his. So that’s what we have to work with–iconography. With a flesh and blood inspiration behind it.
I agree Mark probably believed Jesus was sinless from the time of his baptism onwards, but having been raised Catholic, and been to confession I know that just like bodily cleansing, moral cleansing begins to be undone the moment you’ve toweled yourself off. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Of course, I agree with you that probalistic reasoning comes into much of the historical reconstruction of Jesus’s life, but not all of it. The fact that he existed in the 2nd temple period, that he was Jewish, that he was a teacher, that he was crucified and that he was claimed to have risen from the dead is not pure probabalistic reasoning. That he carried out the bodily functions you refer to is pure probabalistic reasoning, since there is no written descriptions of these. I have not argued for his pre-existence or divine essence; and I also never claimed that we had a single written word by anyone who knew Jesus the man – though some of the sayings for example in Mark, Q, the Gospel of Thomas and even quotes of Jesus by Paul may come very close. So you are pinning 2 strawmen to me! All I was pondering about was whether it might be possible that Jesus led a sinless life either throughout or at least post-baptismally – based on what was said about him by the authors I quoted and the lack of anything negative said about him. That he was not as important during his lifetime as other contemporary figures such as John the Baptist, Caesar Augustus, or Philo, is agreed, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t more important than these figures in the history of the world! It didn’t take long either! and it was arguably the resurrection (claimed or historical) that was and is the chief cause of his fame and importance!

Obviously I agree he was Jewish and was crucified, but are you seriously telling me we need written proof he had a digestive system? There are multiple references to his eating and drinking. Where do you think it went?
I wasn’t saying anything about what you believe about him, since you haven’t really told me much about that. The written evidence on this thread clearly backs up my assertion, and yet I have been misunderstood!
Now imagine that process of misunderstanding going on for decades, centuries, millennia–with nothing written down by the person being misconstrued. And you see the problem.
To me, Jesus was clearly a human being, born in the same way as other human beings, and with all the same inherent failings. And I see much evidence, even in the mythologized recollections we have of him, that confirms me in this conviction. I think the person saying he was sinless bears the burden of proof. As to who bears the burden of proof for him needing to use the privy……
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