brenmcg said

mzejum said

When the Jews said Abraham is their father , did they Mean Abraham Slept with their Mothers? I really do not understand why people like applying double standards to suit their intentions. If you disagree with the use of Sister of Aaron, that showed she is a descendant of Aaron. secondly she was Given the same name as the sister of Aaron. Lastly, Why do People deny what they cannot prove, can you Prove Mary had no Brother called Aaron for instance? i bet you cant. so we can assume that your argument is just based on assumptions. 

  

Father and son, or Mother and daughter are well used expressions for ancestors and descendants, but no “sister of”.

Its certainly possible Mary had a brother called Aaron. But what’s more likely? that Mary the mother of Jesus happened to have a brother named Aaron and a father named Imran just like her namesake Mary the sister of Moses, and that no one knew about this until the quran was written? or that somewhere along the line a mixup was made between the two Miriams?

  

So if its Possible that Mary had a brother called Aaron, why the big fuss out of nothing, any way where i come from any woman coming from my mothers line age we call them Mother, any man from my fathers Village we call them Father, any ladies from my mothers village we call them sisters , the same applies to ladies my age from my fathers lineage or Village. 

Anyway kindly tell me what the word sister and Relative means in proverbs 7:4, also the word sister in 1 John 2:11

brenmcg said

mzejum said

 

Anyway kindly tell me what the word sister and Relative means in proverbs 7:4, also the word sister in 1 John 2:11

  

Sister of wisdom is used to signify a closeness to wisdom – that wisdom is an ally. 

In 1 John 2:11, brother is used to mean brother in christ – baptised into the same family.

Neither is used to mean descendant

  

That is according to you culture, if you have one, Where i come from, if i am name after my grandfather, my grandmother addresses me as  “My Husband”, my father addresses me as “father” and if my sister is named after my grandmother, My Grandfather addresses her as “my wife” and my father addresses her as “mother”. if My father names my sister after his aunt he will address her as “aunt”. people from where i came from of my age we address each other as “brother” and ‘sisters’ , but those older than me we address them as our “father” , “uncles” and we do not have any blood relationship. That is our culture as Africans. if you want to know more ask an African American women why they call other African American Women “sisters” or ask the African American man why they address other African American men as “brothers”. 

According to western traditions such cultures never existed, but in the Middle east the culture is still there, When Maryam is addressed as Sister of Aaron, it is because she was named after Miriam the sister of Aaron, because Her father was named Imran after the father of Moses, Aaron and Miriam.

The most exiting thing about that verse in the Quran is that, people do not read and understand it. as it is. who called Mary the sister of Aaron? 

Quran 19:27-28 Says,

“Then she came to her people, carrying her baby. They said: “O Mary! You have committed a monstrous thing. O sister of Aaron!¹ Your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman.”

from that we can see that , the words “Sister of Aaron”, was said by Mary’s  people, the Israelites. this Shows it was the culture of the Israelites to address people like that we cannot comment against it by comparing that your culture. Sister of Aaron is idiomatic for ‘woman of the clan of Aaron’. and the bible proves it that Mary is a descendant of Aaron.

if sister of Wisdom signifies Closeness to Wisdom , why can’t sister of Aaron signify Closeness to Aaron?  

On my Opinion and on my Understanding by reading.

The Quran Corrects what the Bible Speaks in regard to the Lineage of Jesus. By Calling Mary daughter of Imran and the Jews being quoted calling Mary sister of Aaron totally Disagrees with the Jewish Scriptures Claiming the Messiah is the Son of David AND that Proves to the world that the Jewish Scriptures are corrupted and Changed . Something that Jesus himself is Quoted saying in Mathew 22:42 when he asked the Pharisees whose son is the Messiah?. In Mark 12:35 it is quoted that Jesus asked the Teachers of the law “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David?. In Luke the same is quoted in Luke 20:41. This Indicates that there was word going around in regards to the Messiah according to the Jews and this is proven in John 8:42 where some of the Jews commented “Does not Scripture say that the Messiah will come from David’s descendants and from Bethlehem, the town where David lived?” .

This is a clear indication the Jews had changed their scriptures to suite their own Traditions that nothing Good is going to come from the other children of Israel but Only from the Lineage of David. And this behavior, Jesus in the Bible also pointed at it in Mark 7:13 when he tells the Pharisees “Thus you nullify the word of God by the tradition you have handed down. And you do so in many such matters.”

so! was Jesus really of the Lineage of Aaron as pointed out in the Quran by Mary being called daughter of Imran? and Jews being Quoted calling Mary sister of Aaron.?

1. Luke  1:35 and Luke 1:5 Clears , although some people tend to deny it by assuming that Mary’s father could have been from the Lineage of David , which we have seen clearly Jesus denies that.

2. Jesus says in John 5:46 that Moses wrote about him. if you look in the Bible where Moses wrote about Jesus . You will never find it but from reading Deuteronomy 18:18 we see what Jesus meant when he said that Moses wrote about him. But The Jews had changed their scripture to favor themselves. and as i read the NIV it says “i will raise a prophet like you among their fellow Israelites” while the KJV mentions the word “BRETHREN”. 

There is a habit of people reading a verse and making their conclusion. and am sure there will be 1 or 2 who will come out gun Blazing and refuting my comment as usual. But before that happens can we ask ourselves who are the people being addressed in Deuteronomy 18:18?

Without speculation and assumptions we see that the people Being addressed here are the LEVITES PRIEST and this can only be deduced from Deuteronomy 18:1 and all through Deuteronomy 18 it is the Levites that are being addressed and no other tribe of Israel. This again Proves the Jews Changed the scripture to indicate that the Prophet unto Moses might come from other tribes of Israel. 

3. Point Number 2 has cleared everything for me. But Just to highlight more on this issue. Jesus is addressed as a Priest. But again according to the Children of Israel , it was decreed and it was written in Exodus 28:1 any priest for the Children of Israel Must be a descendant of Aaron. Jesus being a Priest is a descendant of Aaron. But many will argue that he was a Priest Like Melchizedek . ask them why they will struggle to answer. Melchizedek  was both PRIEST and KING. the same way the messiah was supposed to be both Priest and King. if the Jews would have accepted Jesus as their Messiah. God would have gave them victory over their Oppressors. The messiah was not coming to save people from sins as believed by some people the Messiah Like Moses was coming to save the Israelites from their oppressors Just as Moses saved them from Pharaoh.

The Messiah CANNOT be the Son of David.