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The Son of Man Coming in the Clouds of Heave is NOT Jesus! ? ? ? Whatchu talkin' 'bout, scholar?
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Robert
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October 13, 2024 - 12:07 pm
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Colin Milton

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October 13, 2024 - 12:48 pm

This one says it would translate to “to her”

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And to her?

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Robert
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October 13, 2024 - 1:15 pm
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Colin Milton

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October 13, 2024 - 1:44 pm

Why then don’t any of the English versions then translate it literally as “And to Him”?

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October 13, 2024 - 1:47 pm
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October 13, 2024 - 2:07 pm

I suppose I never bothered learning Hebrew or Greek because over 20 years ago I realized that everything in Daniel and Revelation about this was a false prophecy so I never bothered going through with my plans to become a Catholic Priest

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October 13, 2024 - 4:49 pm

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I say I’ve gone through this course and can say it’s not money badly spent. 18 months to finish the entirety –but still a lot to be learned. Resources are provided. One just has to do the work — 🙂 🙁 🙂

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October 13, 2024 - 4:52 pm

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Proper link.

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Colin Milton

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October 13, 2024 - 5:04 pm

Here’s a rabbinic interpretation that says it’s about the messiah who is a king. And I showed you how that phrase ולה could be interpreted as a king.

My opinion is that during the House of David era, the King was actually worshipped as God, so the King and God are synonymous. After the Babylonian captivity the religion was reinterpreted so that the King was not God. Trial and error method of figuring out what God is.

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October 13, 2024 - 5:19 pm
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October 14, 2024 - 9:16 am

Year 2240 AD? 7th millennium. That is approximately time, times, and half millenniums (1+2+1/2=3500 years) which falls 1260 BC,

the 40 years of wandering in the wilderness during the life of Moses, and (seven sevens) 49 years after the Exodus from Egypt.

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November 15, 2024 - 1:33 am

Ok, then what is the saints of the Most High? Daniel 7:25

I’m thinking Daniel 11 is about King Solomon. 1 Kings 10 and 11. Meaningless.

The Son of Man:saints of the Most High is all the Prophets (Isaiah, Elijah, Elisha, Ezekiel, etc….)

The people of the saints of the Most High are those who follow the Prophets. Daniel 7:27

Resurrection of the dead of all the Prophets all into one spirit called the Son of Man.

Daniel’s visions were about King Solomon, and of all the Prophets as though Solomon’s Temple had never been destroyed. Thats what the authors meant. When Jesus referred to himself as the Son of Man he meant that he was the resurrection of the dead of all the Prophets. He would suffer the fate of the Prophets.

Meaningless. Ecclesiastes 8:7

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November 15, 2024 - 9:45 am
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Colin Milton

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November 15, 2024 - 11:13 am

@Robert

I’m piecing together a fantastical idea.

Son of Man: saints of God: all the OT Prophets, and Abel (son of Adam)

Son of God: King David, Adam

The Son of Man becomes the Son of God through supernatural resurrection of the dead

The historical Jesus (big if) thought he was the resurrection of all those in himself as the messiah. Some kind of 70 souls entity that wasn’t human because it was resurrected from the dead like how Adam was created. He was both Adam and Abel as the Father and Son, King David and King Solomon and all the Prophets and Patriarchs. They were all alive once again, Mark 12:27

The apostles attempted to downplay this radical belief of Jesus couldn’t even explain clearly, or like me would just be completely terrified of the man, in the scriptures as him being the Lord Jesus Christ and being born of a virgin.

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November 28, 2024 - 7:57 pm

Would Mark’s use of Daniel in Mark 13:26 help us understand the original intent in Daniel?

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Colin Milton

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November 29, 2024 - 2:13 am

FORBIDDEN THEOLOGY
NO TRUST

A con artist would do something like fake their own death. You can google news articles and find evidence that it has happened before. It’s not a new idea. Unsolved mysteries and murders. The religions was based on trusting dead people.

Acts 7,8, and 9.

Just saying, if Jesus wasn’t crucified and died on the cross then the coming of the son of man points to Saul of Tarsus:Paul and Jesus being the same person. The Sanhedrin and Jesus had to prove their loyalty to Rome and Pontius Pilate. Jesus boarded a ship to Corinth like Jonah did. 40 years later it didn’t work out too well for the Sanhedrin.

Religion and politics is very treacherous in the Roman Empire at that time.

Saul:Paul:Jesus stopped his serial killer self by preaching that everyone had died with him on the cross.

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November 30, 2024 - 5:22 pm

I disagree with James Tabor’s interpretation in his video.

The writer/s of Daniel could have EASILY written: and there before me were ones like children of men, coming with the clouds of heaven.

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December 1, 2024 - 9:40 am

I think the phrase is an ancient Jewish war cry much like “resurrection of the dead.” A insurrection of the living. The Sadducees disagree with Pharisees militias that “Israel” should rebel against Caesar. Whatever it is they were talking about. War strategy disguised as theological ideas. No nation has ever trusted “the Jews” for over 2000 years now. There’s a “resurrection of the dead” occurring right now in the state of Israel Palestine.

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