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GAME OVER: Mark has been dated after AD 70. Bart says look at Mark 13. Do U see the rationale?
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Robert
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September 2, 2024 - 2:40 pm
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Stephen
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September 3, 2024 - 3:04 pm

I must say it is exciting to see this current push to shake the foundations a little bit and see what drops out. That said, Mark’s gospel is so tied up with the idea of the destruction of the Temple and the association with the Parousia that it’s hard to see it as a document written from a long perspective on these events. Put another way, if you’re writing years or decades after the events of 70 CE why would you associate those events with the Parousia?

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September 3, 2024 - 4:24 pm

Robert,

I gave this video a thumb down. My alternative is that the rebels using the Temple as a fortress during the Jewish Civil War and during the Jewish Revolt against Rome. What would be the grammar for that–the act of converting the temple for a military purpose?

Steve Campbell, author of
Historical Accuracy

cc: YouTube comment also

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Steefen
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September 3, 2024 - 4:25 pm

My alternative is that the rebels using the Temple as a fortress during the Jewish Civil War and during the Jewish Revolt against Rome was the abomination of desolation despite the reference to a statue–abomination of a Desolate Temple not being used for its purpose.

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Robert
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September 3, 2024 - 5:03 pm
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Steefen
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September 3, 2024 - 10:40 pm

Thank you, very much.

Desolations plural. I’m thinking the Temple became desolate one time. I’m not getting what you’re saying, there.

I’m also thinking that once the rebels revolted, get out of Jerusalem: they are dysfunctional and will really mess everything up; for example, they will and did cut off food supplies and people began to starve and cannibalize. So it would make sense to flee. And like people did ask armies to see they were not against Rome. So many people surrendered to the Romans and Vespasian and Titus accepted that on many occasions.

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Robert
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September 4, 2024 - 7:07 am
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Steefen
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September 4, 2024 - 11:34 am

Flee to the mountains and find the Romans in the mountains. Why not?

So you want to push all of the Tribulation from the First Jewish-Roman War
past the Second Jewish-Roman War
to the Third Jewish-Roman WAr?

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Robert
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September 4, 2024 - 12:31 pm
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Steefen
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September 4, 2024 - 4:01 pm

The Romans had to come from Galilee.
In fact, they did come from the north in Galilee after the Battle of Galilee.

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Robert
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September 4, 2024 - 4:56 pm
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Steefen
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September 4, 2024 - 5:57 pm

If rebel factions were taking over Ancient Jerusalem, taking over the Temple for a fortress, cutting off food supplies, attacking the elite and high priests, people should run away.

Do you have a citation to Wars of the Jews about Romans arriving from the west?

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Steefen
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September 4, 2024 - 6:00 pm

prior to the Romans fully surrounding Jerusalem but still date the gospel post 70 CE?

Biblical Jesus also said the Temple would be disassembled and you know when that happened.

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Robert
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September 4, 2024 - 6:09 pm
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Steefen
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September 5, 2024 - 10:31 am

Wait a second.

We go from 66 CE THEN in the next paragraph up to Tarichacae and Gamla Galilee. So they still have to come down south to Jerusalem.

military-historyfandom.com seems to be a good source. It it better than wikipedia?

Yes, the above question has to be answered correctly first.

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September 5, 2024 - 11:07 am
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Steefen
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September 5, 2024 - 3:14 pm

So you do not have anything from Josephus.
The impression Josephus gave me was Rome went from north to south.

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September 5, 2024 - 5:13 pm
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Colin Milton

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September 5, 2024 - 6:48 pm

I thought it was all supposed to be a rewrite of Daniel 12.
1290 days is approximately 3.5 years of 66AD 70AD.

David Koresh and the Branch Davidians of Waco TX tried to fulfill all this prophecy. It did not end well for them. I remember watching it all happen live on TV when I was 11 years old.

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September 5, 2024 - 8:15 pm

I doubt what you say Robert because Wars of the Jews is pretty detailed about the Romans coming in and putting down the Revolt.
That’s what you found from critics of Wars of the Jews? Josephus did not cover the troop movements of the Romans?

It’s just a first for me hearing this criticism.

All of the outlines of the Jewish Revolt have the Romans going from Galilee then to Jerusalem.

That’s only two points.

This is better it shows Jewish REvolt losses by year: 67, 68, then 69-73.
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