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Did Jesus lie in John 7:6-10?
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Robert
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April 28, 2021 - 6:56 pm
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IR_2017

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April 28, 2021 - 11:40 pm

they said:

“also may see the works”

this would include his public speeches. john supports this : i have spoken openly to the world

mark says that jesus hid his important teachings. 

 

but when jesus said :

I am not going to this festival

 

this would mean that they did not think that jesus would do his public speeches, because he said he is not going.

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IR_2017

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April 28, 2021 - 11:41 pm

No one who wants to become a public figure (parresia) acts in secret

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IR_2017

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April 29, 2021 - 9:57 am

this is exactly what Bart Ehrman says :

 

BDEhrman April 28, 2021 at 12:02 pm** you do not have permission to see this link **
Most John scholars consider this to be a problem text that is not really reconcileable. He says he won’t go. Then he goes. You can see why apologists would want to make it mean something it doesn’t actually say.

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April 29, 2021 - 5:29 pm

John 1:29-31, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! I myself did not know him, but I came baptizing with water was that he might be made manifest to Israel.” 

John 17:6 “I have manifested your name to men …”

The idea is showing his true divine self to Israel. Its this the brothers asked him to do and this he refused to do at that time.

He went up to the feast but secretly not manifestly.

If the author doens’t give motivation to Jesus to lie his brothers then this is the sense it should be taken. “I not going up to the feast” means “I not going up as my-true-manifest-self to the feast.

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April 29, 2021 - 5:58 pm
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IR_2017

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April 29, 2021 - 10:10 pm

 “I not going up to the feast” means “I not going up as my-true-manifest-self to the feast

he said to them “go to the festival YOURSELF…” so how are they to understand “go… yourself” ?

and why did he remain in galilee? 

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April 29, 2021 - 10:43 pm

“I not going up to the feast” means “I not going up as my-true-manifest-self to the feast.

 

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so jesus means that they should show up to the feast as disbelievers AND by that they knew he meant that when he said he is not going, he meant he is going up as something other than….?

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