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he without sin cast the first stone
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jakejones

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June 20, 2022 - 12:41 pm

yhwh says in the ot that the problems the hebrews were suffering because they forsook yhwhs holy and righteous rules, letting go off idolater, adulterer and sabbath breaker plus repeated offenses only increases the suffering. im not saying this, yhwh is. 

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JAS

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June 20, 2022 - 12:42 pm

This is clearly not a serious discussion.

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CEJ

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June 20, 2022 - 12:47 pm

jakejones said
yhwh says in the ot that the problems the hebrews were suffering because they forsook yhwhs holy and righteous rules, letting go off idolater, adulterer and sabbath breaker plus repeated offenses only increases the suffering. im not saying this, yhwh is. 

  

Ya know, on the whole, it seems better to be a pagan than to be yhwh’s chosen but constantly punished for mucking up.

Know what I mean, Vern?

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Stephen
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June 20, 2022 - 11:32 pm

Do you suppose that some philosopher in his employ ever pointed out to a Roman Senator that crucifixion didn’t seem to be much of a deterrent?  Yet the Romans kept hammering away bloody century after bloody century.   I suppose it would be like pointing out to Americans that ** you do not have permission to see this link **.  But then the killers and the executioners have one thing in common.  They both worship death.   

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cstu

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August 7, 2022 - 5:28 pm

JAS said

jakejones said

“he without sin cast the first stone”

Since people who read text like this have no idea about literarly techniques even today, one would think jesus himself is not free from sin. So my question is why would an interpolater make jesus say something which could inplicate jesus ?

  

I think what is missing here is that Jesus lacks a motivation to cast that stone. It isn’t a command that the person without sin must cast the first stone, merely a designation that if anyone is to cast the first stone, that person should be without sin (which, of course, no one in that crowd qualifies as). Mostly, it is an injunction for the mob to realize that they are not themselves guiltless and should not be so quick to judge others. It says nothing at all about Jesus himself.

  

Do you think this interpolation was inserted in response to Christians being attacked by pagan mobs? 

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JAS

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August 7, 2022 - 7:17 pm

Assuming that it was interpolated, I don’t think we can really speculate beyond the idea that it is a very nice story. I do not think that it requires a specific event as a trigger.

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