Two weeks ago I gave a fundraising webinar for the victims of Hurricane Helene, on the topic:  Why Do Disasters Strike: The Bible’s Views.  In preparing for the talk I decided to re-read the opening section of my book God’s Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer our Most Important Question: Why We Suffer (San Francisco: HarperOne, 2008).  I hadn’t read it for years, and while I was reading it I realized anew just how important the topic is and how glad I am that I addressed it.

I’ve decided to excerpt the opening bit from the first chapter and the beginning of the second  to give you a sense of the book.  If you’re interested in more, check it out. It is definitely different from all the others I’ve written, and now that I’ve re-read it, I think it’s the one I’m most proud of personally, not because of the author but because of the topic and its perennial importance.

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Here now is how I begin the book.

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If there is an all-powerful and loving God in this world, why is there so much excruciating pain and unspeakable suffering? The problem of suffering has haunted me for a very long time. It was what made me begin to think about religion when I was young, and it was what led me to question my faith when I was older. Ultimately, it was the reason I lost my faith. This book tries to explore some aspects of the problem, especially as they are reflected in the Bible, whose authors too grappled with the pain and misery in the world.

To explain why the problem matters so much to me, I need to give a bit of personal background. For most of my life I was a devout and committed Christian. I was baptized in a Congregational church and reared as an Episcopalian, becoming an altar boy when I was twelve and continuing all the way through high school. Early in my high school days I started attending a Youth for Christ club and had a “born- again” experience—which, looking back, seems a bit strange: I had been involved in church, believing in Christ, praying to God, confessing my sins, and so on for years. What exactly did I need to convert from? I think I was converting from hell -I didn’t want to experience eternal torment with the poor souls who had not been “saved”; I much preferred the option of heaven. In any event, when I became born again it was like ratcheting my religion up a notch. I became very serious about my faith and chose to go off to a fundamentalist Bible college-Moody Bible Institute in Chicago-where I began training for ministry.

I worked hard at learning the Bible—some of it by heart. I could quote entire books of the New Testament, verse by verse, from memory. When I graduated from Moody with a diploma in Bible and Theology (at the time Moody did not offer a B.A. degree), I went off to finish my college work at Wheaton, an evangelical Christian college in Illinois (also Billy Graham’s alma mater). There I learned Greek so that I could read the New Testament in its original language. From there I decided that I wanted to commit my life to studying the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament, and chose to go to Princeton Theological Seminary, a Presbyterian school whose brilliant faculty included Bruce Metzger, the great- est textual scholar in the country. At Princeton I did both a master of divinity degree—training to be a minister—and, eventually, a Ph.D. in New Testament studies.

I’m giving this brief synopsis to show that I had solid Christian credentials and knew about the Christian faith from the inside out in the years before I lost my faith.

During my time in college and seminary I was actively involved in a number of churches. At home, in Kansas, I had left the Episcopal church because, strange as this might sound, I didn’t think it was serious enough about religion (I was pretty hard-core in my evangelical phase); instead I went a couple of times a week to a Plymouth Brethren Bible Chapel (among those who really believed!). When I was away from home, living in Chicago, I served as the youth pastor of an Evangelical Covenant church. During my seminary years in New Jersey I attended a conservative Presbyterian church and then an American Baptist church. When I graduated from seminary I was asked to fill the pulpit in the Baptist church while they looked for a full-time minister. And so for a year I was pastor of the Princeton Baptist Church, preaching every Sunday morning, holding prayer groups and Bible studies, visiting the sick in the hospital, and performing the regular pastoral duties for the community.

But then, for a variety of reasons that I’ll mention in a moment, I started to lose my faith. I now have lost it altogether. I no longer go to church, no longer believe, no longer consider myself a Christian. The subject of this book is the reason why.

In an earlier book, Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why, I have indicated that my strong commitment to the Bible began to wane the more I studied it. I began to realize that rather than being an inerrant revelation from God, inspired in its very words (the view I had at Moody Bible Institute), the Bible was a very human book with all the marks of having come from human hands: discrepancies, contradictions, errors, and different perspec- tives of different authors living at different times in different countries and writing for different reasons to different audiences with different needs. But the problems of the Bible are not what led me to leave the faith. These problems simply showed me that my evangelical beliefs about the Bible could not hold up, in my opinion, to critical scrutiny. I continued to be a Christian-a completely committed Christian-for many years after I left the evangelical fold....I came to a point where I could no longer believe. It's a very long story, but the short version is this: I realized that I could no longer reconcile the claims of faith with the facts of life

Eventually, though, I felt compelled to leave Christianity altogether. I did not go easily. On the contrary, I left kicking and screaming, wanting desperately to hold on to the faith I had known since childhood and had come to know intimately from my teenaged years onward. But I came to a point where I could no longer believe. It’s a very long story, but the short version is this: I realized that I could no longer reconcile the claims of faith with the facts of life. In particular, I could no longer explain how there can be a good and all- powerful God actively involved with this world, given the state of things. For many people who inhabit this planet, life is a cesspool of misery and suffering. I came to a point where I simply could not believe that there is a good and kindly dis- posed Ruler who is in charge of it.

The problem of suffering became for me the problem of faith. After many years of grappling with the problem, try- ing to explain it, thinking through the explanations that others have offered-some of them pat answers charming for their simplicity, others highly sophisticated and nuanced reflections of serious philosophers and theologians -after thinking about the alleged answers and continuing to wrestle with the problem, about nine or ten years ago I finally admitted defeat, came to realize that I could no longer believe in the God of my tradition, and acknowledged that I was an agnostic: I don’t “know” if there is a God; but I think that if there is one, he certainly isn’t the one proclaimed by the Judeo-Christian tradition, the one who is actively and powerfully involved in this world. And so I stopped going to church.

 

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16 Comments

  1. johan plas October 15, 2024 at 9:39 am

    It’s not because the Earth is not flat that is ceases to exist. So it is the same with the existence of God : it is not because the image of God as all-powerful in the Bible is wrong that the one and only God doesn’t exist.

    The Bible is not the word of God but of honest spiritual men in search of a description of that God.

    If Job had be not been so scared he would have brought (the image of) God, as described in the Prologue, before the Divine Court and because that Court must by definition be Just it could not had concluded otherwise then to condemn (that image of ) God to death or at least to imprisonment for centuries.

    The problem of the Christian believer is that he or she always presupposes that when the word God is used in the Bible it is God. Quod non.

  2. Colin Milton October 15, 2024 at 9:47 am

    If humans only experienced joy and pleasures wouldn’t the neurons in the brain become desensitized to it all? It seems there must be both. Pain and pleasure must both be so that either can be. Emotions are what distinguishes a robot from a human and a machine from an animal. I think that’s the answer. How could one one know what joy and pleasure is without pain and suffering, and when you experience an overwhelming amount of one emotion you become desensitized to it and it becomes the norm. Also, pain and suffering seems to be necessary for survival. That’s how we learned for our own benefit not to lay down in a fire and take a nap, and not to jump off a cliff. God however, doesn’t seem to do much to stop humans from using this knowledge to commit sins such as murder. The other common sin being the lie where people often
    mislead others to keep something of benefit a secret.

    Another day of lies and murder with the sons of monkey everywhere except hopefully our immediate surroundings.

    • BDEhrman October 16, 2024 at 5:50 pm

      OK, I’m all for a bit of pain so I can enjoy pleasure more. I don’t think it explains why random people have to be born with horrible birth defects or killed in tsunamis or starve to death every minute of every day.

      • Colin Milton October 17, 2024 at 5:51 am

        Suffering can genuinely bring people closer together, unlike using drugs and alcohol.

        The birth defects, tsunamis, and starvation mean that we’re not utilizing the laws of nature in the most effective ways. Don’t build a fancy house in a hurricane zone and then complain that someday in the future that the fancy house was destroyed in a hurricane. We already know the hurricane is coming someday again.

        • BDEhrman October 17, 2024 at 3:15 pm

          Well, no one in the mountains of North Carolina expected Helene to devastate the area, so their choice of building was not really their fault. I’m more or less an expert o the issue. I built a house in the mountains of North Carolina and I’ve been through numerous hurricanes elsewhere, and I never would have expeted to get nailed by one there (it was there and so was I)! Moreover, most people who live in hurricane areas don’t have a viable choice, since they are desperately boor and can’t move to Kansas City if the would like…..

  3. petfield October 15, 2024 at 10:54 am

    With regard to the problem of suffering, I don’t have anything to add; I completely agree with you that it’s an insurmountable problem, and all the theodicies I’ve read or listened to range from insufficient to laughable.

    The one thing I do disagree with you, though, and, frankly, it feels surreal reading it all these years from people highly intellectual and intelligent like you, is the notion that it can be intellectually honest to know the stuff you, for example, know on the history of Christianity and *still* be a Christian!! I mean, I’ve heard so many people say this over the years, top-class Bible scholars and the like, and it just won’t register. I think maybe the reason is that I can’t snap out of a kind of a fundamentalist view of Christianity with which I grew up here in Greece. But the gist of it is that I cannot fathom a world in which a self-deluded-proven to be terribly wrong in his predictions, extremely megalomaniac dude, who in the end found himself crucified, can possibly be the incarnated Son of God, who is also at the same time eternal and of the same essence with God the Father! Idk

  4. jbhodge October 15, 2024 at 7:46 pm

    The most revealing statement in this blog (regarding your loss of faith) is “If there is an all-powerful and loving God in this world,” and revealed to me something (I had missed) regarding your loss of faith, specifically “in this world”. This view of God somehow being “in the world” seems to stem from a literal interpretation the creation story where God is portrayed walking through the Garden of Eden on the newly created Earth. Such is a very fundamentalist literal viewpoint. Your beginnings indicate you were raised evangelical but schooled in your faith as fundamentalist which is the root of your viewpoint of God being “in the World”.

    If such were true/believed, then it would very much make sense, that if there was suffering in the world, then there could not be a God, as the world God lives in would not have suffering.

    Like you, I can’t prove to myself there is a God, but based on at least Paul’s teachings (Romans 1:20), and the Synoptic Gospels detailing Jesus’s teachings, I have “Faith” in a God and an eternal spiritual life (Romans 2:7)’. We were both brought up and had similar “spiritual awakening/born again experience.

  5. nanuninu October 15, 2024 at 10:22 pm

    Dinosaur Prayer

    Tyrannosaurus rex
    stuck in a tar pit
    reaches up toward heaven
    with his tiny arms
    bellowing beseechingly

  6. Steefen October 16, 2024 at 1:13 pm

    Bart’s Former Expectation:
    There is an all-powerful and loving God in this world.

    Steefen:
    You got that idea from Jesus and Christianity. If not, where did you get that?

    Hebrew Apocalypticism is a failed hypothesis.
    The prophets of Hebrew Apocalypticism are false prophets.
    “If there is a God, he certainly is not the one proclaimed by Judeo-Christian tradition.”
    In addition to Hebrew Apocalypticism being a failed hope and a failed hypothesis,
    Temple Judaism was destroyed.

    Both in Hebrew myths and Sumerian myths, the gods tried to kill all humans. Humans and their sinful ways are a cause for suffering. But, if God gives his Son, God will stop suffering caused by geology and the nature of humanity: God will save believers and stop the nature of Earth and humanity.

    Although the Bible insinuates that the Creator is God, the Elohim are not the Creator of the Universe.

    The geographical/spatial scope of God in the Bible is Ancient Canaan, not the Solar System (4.6 billion years), not the Galaxy (13.6 billion years), not the Local Group, not the Laniakea Cluster, not the Universe (13.8 billion years) overseeing an estimate of 100 sextillion stars/solar systems and 200 sextillion planets without suffering.

    Limit God to the Earth, 4.5 billion years, asteroids hit us.

  7. RonaldTaska October 16, 2024 at 5:19 pm

    Beautifully written. Thanks for sharing. Your journey and conclusions are very similar to mine with substantial differences in the formal education.

  8. barrelmonkey October 18, 2024 at 6:18 pm

    I love your transparency about your struggles. I have had similar struggles with the problem of evil. What we were taught at MBI was not entirely comprehensive nor honest in some respects. Like being sold a bill of goods.

    My resolution came through the help of my mentor, Rev. Lt Col Hal Bode USA (ret) in a 12 step program for those impacted by others alcoholism. I came to the meeting early and said to Hal, “I have discovered something about the problem of evil”. Hal asked, “what was that” and I answered, “it’s not my problem”. Hal replied “you finally got it”. At the time, Hal was living with a full blown addiction situation at home, and since both Hal and his wife have passed I feel I can share this. I will never forget that conversation. It gave me the freedom to move on.

    Bless you Bart in your journey.

    Bill Bobbitt (MBI Class of 75′)

    • BDEhrman October 23, 2024 at 6:32 pm

      I’ve probably asked and you probalby answered? did we know each other at Moody? (I was class of ’76)

  9. jcalloway October 28, 2024 at 7:54 pm

    I, too, can’t reconcile the suffering in my world. Currently, I volunteer at a public school in Western NC. Every time I’m there I see torn and dirty clothes & hair that hasn’t been brushed. I can’t address hunger – because one can’t see that. The child I work with now has holes in his shoes. He is so sad it breaks my heart. He never smiles – his teacher thinks he might drop out soon because he misses so many classes. He is in 2nd grade !
    What kind of God would do this ?
    The bicyclists I see peddling through this area have bikes that cost more than the old mobile homes they pass. (My husband bikes so I know how much some of them cost).
    What kind of God would do this ?

    Learning about the history of Christianity has been so interesting. The classes, books and videos with Dr. E are the best – it’s like having a flash light now. I’ve been on this journey for approximately ten years…. so thankful for finding this community.

  10. bartb November 3, 2024 at 2:34 pm

    Thank you for sharing. It’s a long, lonely road. And my struggle is ongoing (no, I do not share this with friends or family) .

  11. Anselmus November 29, 2024 at 4:12 am

    Dr Ehrman,

    I wanted to know if you are familiar with the great Indian philosopher, poet and mystic, Sri Aurobindo? I was a Religious Studies major at the University of Iowa, with an emphasis on the New Testament. But over time, I was more and more drawn to the life and thought of Indian Vedanta, and in particular, to the titanic figure of Sri. Aurobindo.

    You are so well read; I have always wondered if you are familiar with Sri Aurobindo? and if so, what do you think of him? If not, I just wanted to mention his name, as I think that you might find his philosophy and writing interesting. He has a Collected Works of around 38 volumes. Sri. Aurobindo was, without question, an absolute master of prose, and is quite a formidable and singular figure. Even if he is not likely to convert you from your atheism, Dr. Ehrman, I think that you might find his writing stimulating, challenging, and thought-provoking. And he has the best “theodicy” in my opinion, that anyone has or is ever likely to, come up with. It is nearly impossible to read him and not come away impressed.

    • BDEhrman November 29, 2024 at 2:47 pm

      I am afraid I am not familiar with his work.

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