Like many of us at this time of year, I am looking at my life and thinking how incredibly thankful I am for all the good things I have: a beautiful, brilliant, humane, and loving wife; a fantastic, interesting, and caring son and daughter; the two best grandchildren the world has ever seen; a teaching position I absolutely love and thrive on; chances to do what I really want to do with my so-called free time – reading and writing; good health; good friends who, like me, love good food, good drink, and good conversation about important things; and, well, lots of other things.
When I first became an agnostic, I had a problem with thankfulness. I felt very thankful (though, frankly, times were hard: divorce, money issues, familial and life uncertainties) . But it seemed weird to feel thankful. I had always thought of thankfulness to be something you have *toward* somebody. When you say thank you, you say thank you precisely to someone. But who was I to thank for the good things in life, when I didn’t believe there was anyone UP there who had been good to me, to whom to be thankful? It was a strange feeling.
But I came to realize that one can be grateful for all the good things, even if there’s not a person to thank. A sense of wonder at the universe and a sense that some things are very, very good and need to be cherished does not require the belief in a personal God who is in charge of the world.
I think that if everyone on the planet enjoyed their lives, and had as much to be thankful for as I do, that I probably would still be a believer. It’s the fact that life is so hard for so many people, and is absolutely unbearable for so many others, that makes me doubt the existence of anything like a personal deity. And amidst all my thankfulness, which is genuine, there is a sense of real sadness about the world.
In some ways this has been a very hard year. Not for me personally (I haven’t been killed or injured lately, or had to scrounge for the next meal, or been diagnosed yet with some dread disease). But for lots of other loved ones in my life. There have been some very sad and even agonizing times. The untimely death of my closest friend on the faculty of my university, who left behind a beautiful wife of two years, who was eight-months pregnant; the suicide of a young person close to me and my wife; the crises of aging parents; a debilitating stroke leaving a loved one partially paralyzed and unable to speak (for life); a divorce of dear loved ones; a friend diagnosed with brain cancer; another with lymphoma. All this just in the past few months And all of these are people who, like me, are otherwise “privileged.” I obviously have not even begun to mention the suffering in extremis in the world outside my little sheltered bit of it: victims of war, sexual assault, starvation, epidemic, birth defects, and on and on and on.
The hardship others face has become clear to me over the past week, as I have requested notes from people who want to be on the Blog and are unable to afford it. I asked anyone in that boat to give me a brief sense of why they needed the free subscription – not to pry, but simply to give me a sense of how to prioritize those who really needed the freebie and who simply wanted to be given one. I’ve learned some very hard stories. People trying to feed a family after becoming unemployed, with no immediate prospects of getting a job; people with terminal illnesses now in advanced stages, looking forward to physical misery and loved ones who will be left behind with little or nothing; people living in overseas situations of poverty (accessing the Internet, on occasion, at a work place or public facility). These are people who wanted a gift membership, and we — those of you who have donated — have made it possible.
This current post is obviously very black and white, matching my mood and the realities of our world and situation, the best of times and the worst of times. I am especially heartened by the fact that those of us who have good lives can help those who do not. We are doing real good on this Blog. Not only are we engaged in learning important information about a subject we consider to be of supreme importance, historically and culturally and personally, but we are doing so in a way that raises funds for what is really significant, helping those who are in dire need of food and homes.
Many thanks to all who have donated to the blog – especially during this recent effort to provide free memberships . There are still several people who would like to be given a one-year subscription. Let me know if you can help out by contributing one or more.
Whether you can or not, I hope you can join me in being thankful for what we have and hopeful and helpful for those in need!
Dr. Ehrman,
How I wish I could teach you all I’ve learned about how it has to be just the way it is to give life the richness and joy and meaning it has. It would take that great theologian I’ve already mentioned to you before and seven years of weekly classes to be where I am in understanding how that is so. There are huge benefits to being poor. Suffering is limited. You pass out when pain becomes unbearable. My son lived twenty years with an inoperable oligodendroglioma (God’s in it!). If he could have chosen to have that or not – knowing all he’d have to endure – he would have chosen it because his life took on a whole new perspective that was invaluable. Hardships give us a strength we can get no other way. Sorrows make us useful to others going through sad times. Growing up unwanted makes us perfect foster parents as adults. It goes on and on….
And I was going to save you seconds by not emailing you again.
Judy
A terrific blog. You are a good man. Thanks for sharing. I don’t really consider myself an agnostic or an atheist. Instead, I am one who checks the “none” block on the “what religion” question. The Biblical God, because of all of the divine killing in the Old Testament and all of the contradictions in the Gospels, makes no sense to me. On the other hand, a universe coming from nothing makes no sense either. When I finally left the church, I felt a great deal of loneliness which was hard to overcome. The loss of a personal God is a big, big loss. I miss Him/Her even if He/She were just a figment of my imagination.
Bart, you have added to the goodness in my life through your work and through this blog. Thank you. I also share a sense of gratitude for life in spite of pain and trouble. I certainly don’t have an answer to the “why,” but we can respond to the needs of others as you do. Thank you for giving me a way to be a small part of it.
You should excuse the expression, but Amen.
A good amount of contemporary (Reformed) theology these days tends to focus on the “love your neighbor” aspect of Christianity and how we find our meaning through other people. I agree with this but definitely don’t think there’s any exclusive claim by any religion on this concept. To me, it’s the lowest common denominator. In my own case, in times of suffering, I’ve only been able to find true relief with the help of others or by helping others. There’s a lot to be thankful for in just our relational life, I guess, but I also realize that I speak from a position of privelege.
It is the age of wisdom, it is the epoch of reason, it is the season of wisdom, it is the spring of hope, we have everything before us, we are building our own Heaven, in short, this period is not like the past, some of our noisiest authorities have been subdued, for the good……..Thank you for all you do. Best regards and Merry Christmas to all.
Dr Ehrman: I have read many of your books, and though them and attending one of your lectures, I am familiar with the history of your personal religious journey. I find your spiritual and intellectual development very interesting. Short question: What is you opinion of Deism, and have you considered some form of it as an explanation to the cosmos and its contents including us?
I have nothing against Deism; I just don’t have a good reason for subscribing to it.
I appreciate the post, Dr. Ehrman. Having come to grips with the lack of evidence of the God of the Bible (of any god for that matter) over the past two years, I no longer find substance in expressions like “I am thankful” and “I am blessed” to express the diffuse feeling of general gratitude. Instead, I find myself thinking and saying more often “I feel very fortunate.” I feel fortunate that from my perspective, I have won the lottery of geography and history. I AM thankful to my parents for being warm and kind, informed by their tolerant version of fundamentalist Christianity, and for giving me a fairly healthy biology and psychology. I’m thankful to my employer for providing me an income sufficient to support my family and my interests. I’m thankful for people like you whose studies and analyses are grounded in reality. Merry Christmas!
well said!
Very well put. I have long believed that the more one can be thankful for the good fortune bestowed on them, the more heightened their sensitivity becomes towards those less fortunate. Its a strange dichotomy, in a way, and has nothing to do with belief or lack or belief in a deity.
my life is not best, i am hurt a lot Bart, if you could pray for me one of these days to help me believe things will get better 🙁 i know no one i know would ever come across this website so not embarrassed actually i have no friends and hurts a lot especially during holidays 🙁 . if you could ask a powerful priest to pray for me. i would be thankful, ever since I’ve been on this blog actually my life has flipped upside down. i need strength is all, i am becoming weak man, if not you send out a prayer for me then a high priest that you know thanks bart erhman.
All best wishes to you Joseph, and many happy thoughts speeding your direction. I really hope things turn around for you.
Yes, actually was an amazing day, actually the kind of day I was looking for. I know it’s off topic of your post, but it is on the topic of god. Today was a turn around for me. Thanks Bart for your wishes, I love the discussion forum on the site by the way. Don’t what you did but if you prayed for me it worked, never loose hope, if you do its lost and we don’t want that. I love what your doing with this on side of your many other grate works.
Joseph
I am sorry and I AM feeling it right now for those around you who have suffered and continue to do so … what little I have in my daily meditation includes them tonight and those mentioned in this blog (as well as your family) and will continue throughout the season. I wouldn’t know where to begin to describe living where I do where most families DO scrounge daily for food despite working a six day week and ten hour days (btw: there is an excellent series running in the LA times where Mexican farm workers describe themselves as slaves .. not far from the truth) and the siblings (who look like those on your blog photo) of my young students frequently do not have milk AND don’t understand why they don’t have leche. It’s been a tough year and yet today is the birthday of the Virgin of Guadalupe and the church was filled. I have thankful that I can still do a little to help. That’s all.
Thanks so much for this. What is it that you are doing in this world you are in?
I tutor English to anyone interested although most of my students are children. I turn no one away. English classes are a requirement from third grade on although I tutor a couple of 8 year olds. I hold a MA and several life time Univ. level teaching degrees which permits teaching all ages. And frankly, I derive more from living among the Yucatan Maya than I could possibly give.
”A sense of wonder at the universe and a sense that some things are very, very good and need to be cherished does not require the belief in a personal God who is in charge of the world.”
Hi Dr Ehrman this is my first post on your blog. This paragraph sounds a lot like what scientific pantheists say (http://www.pantheism.net/paul/basic-principles.htm) It has been described as atheism for nature lovers but looks like you are not alone there! I admired this movement and its founder Paul Harrison much in the past. But I work in healthcare and I’ve seen so many cruel and horrible things that now I have (at least temporarily) reversed to theatrical Gnosticism, cursing a nonexistent demiurge for this abortion of a world!
Dr. Ehrman – I also went through the same evolution of thankfulness after leaving the ministry and ultimately losing my faith. I realized how by thanking an omnipotent deity for giving you certain blessings, you were by default thanking him/her for not giving these blessings to other people. Over time, I could not in good conscience “thank” such a deity. Today, I focus my thankfulness towards those around me.
alandiehl, In correlation to what you said here, I find myself more unwilling to use word “blessed” (as in “I am blessed”, “God blessed me”, etc). Like you, I feel that by default I am then saying that someone else is not blessed and that I am elite or favored, etc..
When things are going well for me, I sometimes come across reminders of how difficult life is for other people. I don’t think it’s possible (or helpful) to fully dwell on the measure of suffering in the world, but it does dampen my spirits. I can’t help but thinking about the problem of Christians basking in heaven while grandma is being punished forever and ever in hell.
I agree you can be thankful for what you have without having someone up there to thank. By the same token I think you can believe in evil without it being Satan. A person suffered sexual abuse as a child, by a trusted person, and her parents put it down to “evil came into the house”. Bull sugar! The person new exactly what they were doing, it wasn’t some evil demon making them do it. Evil is a human act, not a scapegoat.
Deep sympathy for all the sadnesses of 2014…. I am glad there are sources of comfort as well.
I agree about the enormity of suffering making it very difficult to envision an omnipotent all-good God (“If God be God, he is not good; If God be good, he is not God.”) — I tend to agree with Ivan in “The Brothers Karamazov” (“Rebellion” chapter) — that this amount of suffering really can’t be justified by any end.
What do you think about “process theology” views that “God” is in process of becoming? …that creation is in progress? and that we can help it go in a good direction?
After almost fourscore years of puzzling, I am thinking of myself as still in the Christian camp because I think of it as one of the ways of expressing timeless truths — like Jung’s “archetypes” or Joseph Campbell’s “myths.” There’s much in the tradition I can’t support, but I focus on what I can, like trying to love the enemy and help others. And I find the portrait of a peacemaking Jesus endlessly fascinating. Right now I am wondering if “God” is something like Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg describes in his memoir “The Silence of Dark Water” — “this all-encompassing vitality and presence” — or Wordsworth’s “sense of something far more deeply interfused” as he looked down on Tintern Abbey. Thanks again always for your work, and thoughts in this blog.
My first sense of being filled with thankfulness without any sense of there being a Being to whom I could or should give thanks came some time after I ceased believing in God, if I ever did. It came when I used to backpack in the high Sierra. Although many landscapes on our planets are ravaged, many–often in wilderness or other protected areas (but not necessarily)–are incredibly beautiful, including the area you live in and here in Redwood Country where I love. If there is a Being, it must resemble the one in the KJ translation of Isaiah 45:7, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil.”