As you can see, we have now launched our new version of the blog, very new and much improved. I’ve decided to start our new life together by returning to the beginning. Over the next week I will be posting five of my favorite posts from years past, one from each of the first five years of the blog.
Here is the very first post I made. Looking back, to me it looks a bit, well, feisty. I was a bit more cantankerous and, uh, defensive in those days. Nonetheless, I agree with just about everything in it still. But I should say, in case any of you wonder, that Ben Witherington, whom I address here, and I are actually friends in the field. He has attacked me a good deal in the past, in very public forums; but I maybe go a bit overboard here. Still, this post is a nice museum piece, at least in my mind.
Some of Ben Witherington’s most popular books are The Jesus Quest, and The Problem with Evangelical Theology, among others.
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Probably more than any of my other books, Misquoting Jesus provoked a loud and extensive critique from scholars – almost exclusively among evangelical Christians, who appear to have thought that if readers were “led astray” by my claims in the book (in many instances, these critics pointed to claims that in fact I never made!) they might be in danger of losing their faith – or worse – changing what they believed so that they would no longer be evangelical.
I’m not so sure there is really much danger in presenting a widely held scholarship to a lay-readership, and so I was a bit surprised at the vitriol I received at the hands of some of my evangelical critics. There were four entire books written to refute my discussion: (1) Dillon Burroughs, Misquotes in Misquoting Jesus: Why You Can Still Believe; (2) Timothy Paul Jones, Misquoting Truth: A Guide to the Fallacies of Bart Ehrman’s “Misquoting Jesus”; (3) Nicholas Perrin, Lost In Transmission?: What We Can Know About the Words of Jesus; and (4) Gregory Koukl, Misquoting Jesus? Answering Bart Ehrman.
In addition, there were scores of blogs and various Internet postings taking on me and my views, some frontal assaults by New Testament scholars who are not credentialed in the field of textual criticism, some of whom produced such long-winded and innuendo responses that to give a fair representation of their “points” would take another major book!
There are a few claims that my critics have been made that seem to me to be worth addressing, and if any readers know of any in particular that they would like me to answer, I will be more than happy to do so. Just let me know what the objections are, who made them, and where they can be found.
One common claim made by my evangelical detractors is that despite the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of differences among our surviving manuscripts of the New Testament – no one of these manuscripts is the “original” or an “accurate copy of the original” — NONE of these differences affect “any cardinal doctrine” (as Dan Wallace has been fond of saying). Here is one such statement by Ben Witherington, in his provocatively entitled response “Misanalyzing Text Criticism.”
It is simply not the case that any significant theological truth is at issue with the textual variants that Ehrman wants to make much of. As I remember Bruce Metzger saying once (who trained both Bart and myself in these matters) over 90% of the NT is rather well established in regard to its original text, and none of the remaining 10% provides us with data that could lead to any shocking revisions of the Christian credo or doctrine. It is at the very least disingenuous to suggest it does, if not deliberately provocative to say otherwise.
I have lots of things to say about this critique. To begin with, let’s be clear (I don’t mean this as an attack, but I’m just stating what I think are the facts): Ben Witherington is not an expert in textual criticism. His doctoral training was not in textual criticism. So far as I know, he has never read a paper at the Society of Biblical Literature meeting on textual criticism (I was chair of the section for six years, and have been on the Steering Committee for many more years). He has never published a book on the subject. I am aware of only one article that he wrote involving the topic (he may have written more: I know of only one), a rather unfortunately entitled piece called “Anti-Feminist Tendencies of the Western Text in Acts” (the title doesn’t really work because there are no textual variants in the New Testament that oppose “feminism.” Ben means that there are variants “opposed to women” but it is telling, in a rather embarrassing way, that he equates “women” with “feminism,” the latter of which is a modern ideological category that has nothing to do with ancient or medieval scribes).
When Ben indicates that both he and I were trained in textual criticism by Bruce Metzger, I’m not completely sure what he means. Prof. Metzger taught at Princeton Theological Seminary his entire career. I went to PTS to study with him, worked three years taking all of his classes as a master’s student, wrote a master’s thesis under his direction, stayed on to do a Ph.D. under his direction (I was his final doctoral student), and wrote my Ph.D. dissertation under him. Altogether I worked with him for seven years – and after that, he hired me to work with him for the New Revised Standard Version translation of the Bible, another two years. I honestly don’t know when Ben studied with him since Ben did not study at PTS. Maybe he took a summer school course once?
In any event, I find Ben’s argument that there is no “significant theological truth” at stake in any of the variant readings of the New Testament to be problematic for a number of reasons:
- I don’t recall ever claiming in my book (or elsewhere) that there were theological truths at stake. What I argued is that textual variants affect theologically important passages of the New Testament. Surely a careful reader – Ben prides himself on being a careful reader – realizes that is a different matter altogether.
- The reason “theological truths” are not “at stake” in any of the textual variations I discuss is because theologians, or even theologically interested interpreters like Ben, never, ever, develop their “theological truths” on the basis of any one passage of the Bible. You can take away this passage or that passage, and they will still find ways to find their “truths” in Scripture. Scripture is great that way: it opens itself up to all kinds of theological speculation. If theologians can find the Trinity in Genesis chapter 1 (they can! You can find anything if you look hard enough for it), then certainly the alteration of a verse here or there in the New Testament is going to have a relatively slight effect on any doctrine – any cherished doctrine whatsoever.
- That is not to say that textual variations are unimportant for theological discourse. They are important, but not in the way Ben is imagining (or imagining that I’m imagining). The reality is that textual variants affect numerous passages of theological significance: the Trinity, the full deity of Christ, the atoning significance of his death, and so on. If Ben wants to deny this then we will have a real brouhaha on our hands!
- Most importantly, I wonder why “theological significance” is the major criterion being used to determine what matters when it comes to the text of the Bible. In a couple of public debates Dan Wallace, for example, made the bold and startling claim mentioned above, in response to my views, that “not a single cardinal doctrine” of the Christian faith was affected by the textual variants of the New Testament. After hearing him make this claim a couple of times, I decided to fire back. “Why should that be our gauge for whether textual variation matters or not?” Only someone so deeply rooted in theology that nothing else ultimately matters would even think to use this rhetorical ploy. But think about it in other terms: suppose, I asked, we all woke up tomorrow only to find that the New Testament books of Mark, Philippians, James, and 2 Peter had disappeared, that they no longer exist, they are no longer in anyone’s Bible. Would their absence have any effect on “any cardinal doctrine” of the faith? Not in the least! Doctrine would remain exactly the same for virtually every Christian on the planet. But would you say their sudden disappearance would be significant? YES, it would be significant. It’d be HUGELY significant. Changes in the Bible can be significant without affecting any cherished doctrines of the evangelicals.
- And it is important to stress that textual variants often affect all sorts of things. In many instances, they affect what a verse means. Or a passage. Or even an entire book! Just think of some of the Big Ones: Did Jesus forgive the woman taken in adultery in the Gospel of John? It depends on which manuscripts you read. Did Jesus appear to his disciples after his resurrection, or not, in the Gospel of Mark? It depends on which manuscripts you read. Did Jesus go into great agony and sweat great drops as if of blood in Luke’s version of his arrest? It depends on which manuscripts you read. Does the Gospel of Luke teach that Jesus’ death was an atoning sacrifice “for you”? It depends on which manuscripts you read. Does the Gospel of John present Jesus as “the unique God”? It depends on which manuscripts you read. And on and on.
So, for anyone who is deeply committed to his or her theology, who is worried about how the textual variants of the New Testament might affect it, let me say it once again: none of your cherished doctrines appears to be in real danger because of variations in our surviving manuscripts (at least the variations that we know about). But that is not my claim and never has been my claim. My claim is that there are important variations in the surviving manuscripts of the New Testament; some of these variations affect how an entire passage — indeed, in some cases how an entire book — is to be interpreted; some of these variations affect how we understand the theology of this or that biblical author; there are numerous passages where scholars continue to debate what the “original” text of the New Testament said; and there are some places where we will never know. All of that does indeed seem to be significant to me.
Dr. Ehrman,
I have heard many evangelical scholars say things like “Bart and I have known each other for many years” or “Bart and I go way back and I consider him a good friend”. Usually from evangelical scholars I like to read such as Craig Evans, Dan Wallace, Mike Licona, and others. It seems like some of the vitriol that may be genuine is not from these scholars. I attended the debate you did with Mike a couple years ago and Mike said “Bart is as good as they get”, and I could tell he meant it.
Do most scholars at the end of the day really get along within the community of scholarship? I feel like much of the bravado is for entertainment or to get people interested in their work.
Thanks, Jay
Yeah, I suppose most do get along. I certainly get along with these three. I get along with Ben too! He’s a UNC grad, and got turned onto NT studies as an undergraduate here.
Nice Platform Dr. Ehrman…! Thanks for all your hard work.
Completely off topic: How can I read posts just before or just after the current post I am reading? I think that was an option in the old format.
Ha! I don’t know! (As an administrator I don’t see what you see; and as an administrator who doesn’t know how to administer: I’ll ask Steven)
The arguments raised by your opponents seem to me to a classic case of begging the question, that is assuming the conclusion is true. If every word in the Bible is true, there can be no untrue words and therefore there can be no significant differences in the text. Any apparent differences are not really differences, and can be explained away. Did Mary and Joseph flee to Egypt or return to Nazareth? They did both! Did the Disciples stay in Jerusalem to meet the resurrected Jesus or go to Galilee to meet him? They met him in both places. Did Mary and Joseph live in Bethlehem or go to Bethlehem? Both can’t be right, but somehow they are both right. It is begging the question to assume the truth of what you are saying.
Agree!
In my mind, the real question is deeper than just being challenged by word differences. A much more interesting dimension is if we really understand the real meaning of the theology. Apparently we do not,,,,,,,,at all !! ,,,evidently since there are innumerable interpretations, innumerable branches within Christianity.
The fact that there was a lot of exchange of ideas, worldviews, different philosophies, and having it as one, and understanding this lag, would have a huge effect of interpretation, for example.
• How and how much the Hellenistic ideas influenced the theological view at that time (Platon NeoPlatonism, Aristothle)
• What about influences with Central Asia where MOST people in this world had a religion about reincarnation, and inner processes, and elaborated ideas about consciousness, etc. And YES,,there were traderoutes connecting these cultures
• The existing possibly “mystics” like the Esenes also mentioned by Josephus, such as the Essenes as he even relates to Aristotle and possibly even his ideas about an existing soul. In that case, this is very interesting since it opens up that there were elaborate esoteric ideas within Judaism
* The Gnostics sprung up ,,, (even the possible pre-Christian «Barbelo-Gnosticism» within the Sethian Gnosticism, a completely different inner concept, which also included reincarnation. The information received came from a deepter source (just as C.G Jung also claimed) and not a philosophy that came out of someone’s head.
• Jewish mystics (Hasidic) learned the concept of “gilgul” as trips in a circle.
• The physiognomic horoscopes in the Dead Sea Scrolls which deal with a rejection of births that suggest an existing soul that indicates that even the physical properties are reflected by the migration history of the spirits.
,,,, to name a few concepts that could have really influenced the worldview, the image, even the real/profound meaning of scriptures that were remembered (perhaps some from oral source) decades later.
Well, Mr. Ehrman, as an unskilled layman in this subject myself, I really have to defend your position, and you speak sensibly from my perspective, at least to me.
In my mind, the Christian literalists which feels threathened of your scholarship, should legitimately be concerned if they really have or understand the whole picture as they seemingly claim to have.
Thank you
Dear Dr Ehrman,
First I want to day how much I admire your work. I’m an avid reader of your books and your blog, and I enjoy watching your debates – all from my mobile device.
I really like the new blog layout, much clearer and user-friendly.
However, I wanted to rate this entry 5 out of 5 but when I tapped the stars, it registered 4! Reason is the touch function is too small on a mobile device. Any chance to introduce a pop up to enlarge the ratings so it’s clearer to the user which star they’ve selected? Also, there is no way to correct a star rating once selected. Maybe a confirmation box could solve the problem of an accidental rating when scrolling up and down the page?
No need to publish this comment or to respond to it, I value your time and don’t want to add to your workload.
Keep up the good work!
Brilliant post and none the worse for being a ‘museum piece’. You are absolutely right that textual variations are very important but probably don’t have any or much impact on theology. I can’t remember the verse but there is a line in one of the gospels where Jesus differentiates himself from God the Father, by saying something along the lines of ‘the Son does not know, only the Father knows.’ This completely undermines later understandings of the Trinity in which Jesus is co-equal with the Father, but seems not to bother devout Christians. Similarly my Catholic wife is convinced Mary was a perpetual virgin despite numerous Gospel references to Jesus’s siblings.
But there is a significant theological truth at stake in the issue of variants, namely the evangelical doctrine of inerrancy, which is the primary reason most of those apologetics books went to market. Without inerrancy, these men lose their personal authority-privilege, which I think is their chief concern in the matter.
Agree!
In my mind, the real question is deeper than just being challenged by word differences. A much more interesting dimension is if we really understand the real meaning of theology. Apparently we do not ,,,,,,,,, at all !! ,,, obviously since there are innumerable interpretations, innumerable branches in Christianity.
The fact that there was a lot of exchange of ideas around, worldviews, different philosophies, and different approaches to symbols and interpretation / understanding of vision woud probably has a huge impact on what was understood and how they presented their theology.
For example.
• How much the Hellenistic phllosopy i(i.e. Platon NeoPlatonism, Pythagoras, Aristotle ) impacted the Judo-Christian environment at that time.
• How much and how the Central Asian religious views, such as Hinduism and Buddhism, had an impact on the worldview or theological concepts in the Christian Judo community. It is interesting that most of the world at that time had religious views (Hinduism / Buddhism) of reincarnation, inner processes and deepened ideas about consciousness.
And YES, it was trade routes that connect these cultures.
• The existing, possibly “Jewish mystics” that the Essenes also mentioned by Josephus, who believed that even Pythagoras was influenced by, or vis a versa, related to the ideas of a pre-existing / migration of souls. This opens up another very interesting opportunity for how ancient Jews elaborated esoteric ideas within Judaism.
* The Gnostics who emerged the first centuries after Jesus,,, (Barbelo gnosticism, part of Sethian gnosticism could have had an origin before Christ) give a completely different, and much more inner concept, a concept of “oneness” which also includes reincarnation.
• Jewish mystics (also Hasidic) learned the term “gilgul” (circle -reincarnation) could point to an ancient Jewish esoteric thought system.
• The physiognomic horoscopes in the Dead Sea Scrolls dealing with a forecast of births suggesting a pre-existing soul that indicates that even the physical features/properties are reflected by the migration history of the soul.
,,, just to name a few concepts that can have an effect of the worldview, the meaning of parables, symbols etc. To understand the scriptures, the thoughts, the theology (where some were collected from oral sources much later) in the real context, must be a huge task, otherwise there would not be countless branches within Christianity.
Well, Mr. Ehrman, as an unskilled layman myself, I really want to defend your position. Perhaps the Christian literalist that opposes your scholarship should consider the complexity and be more humble before claiming to know the whole picture, like some claim.
Thank you!
Thanks for sharing your favorite posts from years past. It’s much appreciated by those of us who are recent subscribers.
Professor
While re-reading “Misquoting Jesus” recently i followed along with RSV in order to see how many of the changes that you argue SHOULD be made had been (by the early 50’s is when i think that came out? Not all of them were made by then, and even the obvious additions were carried in footnotes with no explanation why they are excluded, which your book provides). In any event, is there an english bible version like a “Jefferson Bible” cut and paste of the 27 NT books that more nearly approaches the original autographs according to modern scholarship? Or is scholarship so divided, even when “voting” like the Jesus Seminar did, that we’d end up with as many new bibles as there are members? Thanks.
Most people would say the RSV DOES present the autographs as modern scholars have decided it. Even more the NRSV. But I’m not sure I’ve ever looked to see which exx. I cite are not represented there. Any major ones?
Ch. 5 (of Misquoting Jesus) Angry Jesus Mk 1:41 of RSV begins, “Moved with pity…” so we miss Mark’s (the author’s) angry Jesus here. That’s significant to me because Marcus Borg’s argument about the compassionate Jesus comes into play. Next, RSV includes the bloody sweat and attending angel verses destroying Luke’s 22:39 chiasmus (and his portrait of an imperturbable, calm Jesus) with verses 43-44 included in the text. Finally, your last Ch 5 example from Hebrews of a forsaken Jesus does not translate “apart from God”, but rather ends verse 9 “…so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.”
Ch6 Lk 3:22 RSV has the anti-adoptionist version leaving out the “Today” part of God’s speech, i.e., specifically “when” does Luke ALSO say Jesus became a beloved Son, besides at birth (2:11) and resurrection (Acts 2:38). Today, when God says so and the dove descends.
Ch7 RSV includes I Cor 14: 34-35 in that sequence rather than excluding them (women remaining silent, asking husbands questions at home). Next, in Romans 16:7 , Junia becomes “Junias” and “men of note among the apostles”.