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A Jewish Person and His Grand-daughter Went to Heaven. The New Testament Is Probably Wrong.
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Steefen
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June 5, 2024 - 7:55 pm

Well, as the New Testament says, to different people, different gifts have been given.
Different people have different values and interests.

Google has more resources than I have. If you couldn’t find anything on google, fat chance I’ll have something you’d value or have something of interest for you.

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Robert
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June 5, 2024 - 8:15 pm
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Steefen
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June 6, 2024 - 4:22 pm

I have done that already.

You do not listen, read, or comprehend.
There is no evaluating the quality of the evidence and being persuaded to anything other than to what one is committed: skepticism.

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Stephen
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June 6, 2024 - 4:57 pm

Forgive us Steefen.

We have been seduced by the siren song of progress. Reason, the germ theory of disease, and the ability to understand the origin of the universe are gifts we were simply too weak to refuse. We lacked the strength to clutch at our comforting superstitions.

If you can’t forgive then try to pity us.

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Porphyry

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June 6, 2024 - 6:39 pm

There is no evaluating the quality of the evidence

No, Steefen, you are mistaken here. I am asking precisely because I would like to see the evidence so that I can evaluate it.

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June 6, 2024 - 11:41 pm

This thread primarily is about whether or not a Jewish person is a sheep who goes to heaven
Paul is wrong

or

a goat who does not go to heaven
Paul is right.

Jesus said whatsoever you do to the least of your brothers you do to me.
Doing something is a work.
Paul is wrong.

So, with this woman in the video being a good person, she can go to heaven regardless what she thinks about the passion and resurrection of Jesus.

Jesus was wrong again: there is no resurrection on Earth for Final Judgment of souls when each person’s iterations of incarnations have ended.

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June 7, 2024 - 3:48 pm

Matthew 11: 24 Jesus speaks of a day of judgment

One day? for all of the nations?

John 11: 24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

verse 25: The one who believes in me will live … have eternal life as opposed to eternal fire and eternal punishment.
I am the Resurrection (like Osiris, whenever a person dies, they take on the persona of Osiris and make it through the hours of the afterlife (amduat) until their heart is weighed against a feather).

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So instead of Jesus being so secretive about who he was, since belief in him was so important, he should have been teaching the tenets of belief.

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So, Jesus corrects himself in the Gospel of John?

Matthew 11: 24 OR John 11: 24-25

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That day of Judgment was to happen within the generation of Jesus (circa late 20s CE to circa early 30s CE) 40 yrs forward.
But the only one doing the judging was the general of the army, Titus.

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June 8, 2024 - 1:42 am

Porphry, Stephen, Robert, and everyone,

Check this out.

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Porphyry

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June 8, 2024 - 9:23 am

At 1:04, “I think, in my opinion–again, this is nothing that I’ve read, but my hypothesis–is that part of the work going on at CERN is to learn how to create stable wormholes.”

So all this stuff about CERN researching wormholes is, by his admission, pure speculation.

At 2:25: “The biggest problem that we have is, not creating a wormhole now–’cause we can create them–but how do you keep it open.”

This is false. ** you do not have permission to see this link ** let alone deliberately created. They are predicted by general relativity but remain purely theoretical. (By the way, if there were a way to create a wormhole, it is not at all clear that a human would survive passing through one.) If I am mistaken on this–if we actually have observed wormholes–I would be glad to be corrected.

at 2:37 “Now NASA recently discovered something called ‘X-points’ around Earth and also around the Sun. These are naturally occurring portals–portals!–that open and close every single day, all around the outside of our planet. . . . some of them create direct pathways to the Sun and even to other planets in our solar system.”

** you do not have permission to see this link ** (thus the name) allowing solar wind to enter Earth’s magnetosphere–in fact actually propelling solar wind toward Earth. They are called ‘portals’, but they aren’t *that* kind of portal. They are just openings in the magnetic field that allow charged particles to get in. They aren’t the sort of portal that one could step through and get teleported to another planet, and they have nothing to do with wormholes.

He goes on to talk about various ancient civilizations having portals–he tells us with great confidence how they used them–but he provides no evidence for any of these bold claims.

He also makes a big deal about the statue of an Indian god coming through a portal (as he describes it) outside of CERN, suggesting they knew all along what they were doing.

The statue is a statue of Shiva, and the symbolism is explained on a plaque at the location and is also explained ** you do not have permission to see this link **. It has nothing to do with portals.

At this point I ran out of time.

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June 8, 2024 - 1:01 pm

Physicists Create a Holographic Wormhole Using a Quantum Computer

The unprecedented experiment explores the possibility that space-time somehow emerges from quantum information, even as the work’s interpretation remains disputed.

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June 8, 2024 - 1:03 pm

May 20, 2021

4 min read

Wormhole Tunnels in Spacetime May Be Possible, New Research Suggests

There may be realistic ways to create cosmic bridges predicted by general relativity

By Brendan Z. Foster

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June 8, 2024 - 2:34 pm
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Porphyry

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June 8, 2024 - 2:54 pm

Jefferis et al. didn’t claim to create a wormhole–despite the breathless reporting of Quanta Magazine; they claimed to simulate one.

This ** you do not have permission to see this link ** makes that clear, and includes interviews with several of the co-authors.

“Scientists have, for the first time, developed a quantum experiment that allows them to study the dynamics, or behavior, of a special kind of theoretical wormhole. The experiment has not created an actual wormhole (a rupture in space and time), rather it allows researchers to probe connections between theoretical wormholes and quantum physics, a prediction of so-called quantum gravity.”

“Wormholes . . . have not been observed experimentally,”

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Porphyry

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June 8, 2024 - 2:59 pm

I seem have missed the connection between this thread originally about NDEs and wormholes

All I know is that my spirit is crying for leaving.

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Stephen
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June 8, 2024 - 11:30 pm

It’s an interesting phenomenon. Every field of inquiry casts a shadow, a pseudo-version that mimics it, providing a mask for venerable fancies that refuse to die. Quantum Theory has been a rich source of confusion.

The interviwer admits he’s out of his depth. His job is to ooh and aah at Mr Carson’s pronouncements. The part I missed was Carson’s qualifications to speak on the subject. The wherewithal to make a video seems the chief requirement. Democracy!

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Porphyry

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June 9, 2024 - 12:13 am

Did you get to the part where Carson takes up the Book of Enoch?

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June 9, 2024 - 12:50 am

Discussion of 11 dimensions beginning at 14:10 is not to be missed.

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Steefen
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June 9, 2024 - 12:02 pm

11 dimensions that our mind connects to.

I was keeping abreast of this a little bit way back when I went to an American Museum of Natural History’s Isaac Asimov Debate, probably in 2003, back when Scientific America had a cover article on 11 dimensions, and Brian Greene had a lot of media attention for string theory.

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June 9, 2024 - 12:20 pm

Miracles by beings who enter the 5th dimension or are from the 5th dimension can heal the blind and the lame without using 4 dimensional surgery.

So, life after life and life between incarnations do not have the limitations of length, width, height, time beings.

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Porphyry

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June 9, 2024 - 12:21 pm

Even the title is wrong.

QM doesn’t postulate extra dimensions. String theory does, but string theory is a theory that is notoriously unsupported by any experimental evidence.

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