I bring you to a buffet and you say I cannot eat the whole buffet.
YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO EAT THE WHOLE BUFFET.
You reject watching a neuropathologist
you reject the international Association for Near-Death Studies
We were talking about multi-Dimensional worlds and you reject the video about multi-dimensional NDEs.
Go right ahead and procrastinate without me.
I bring you to a buffet and you say I cannot eat the whole buffet. YOU’RE NOT SUPPOSED TO EAT THE WHOLE BUFFET.
Then why give me a whole buffet if you don’t expect me to eat it and I never asked for it? Why not just give me the thing that I asked for?
My asking you to give me what you consider the clearest and best documented case of veridical perception during an NDE doesn’t seem a particularly onerous request, unlike your implicitly asking me to sift through over 5 hours of video to see if I stumble on something there that I find enlightening. Why, some 5 pages after I first asked, are you still not offering it? Are you not actually interested in convincing people? Or do you not have any clear and well-documented case to point to?
Many moons ago, I was writing my dissertation.
I had spent a lot of time translating big sections of untranslated sources. As I wrote my first draft, I reproduced many big chunks of those texts: It was really interested material, and it wasn’t available anywhere else in English, so–I reasoned–let’s put it in so the reader can read it for himself.
After reading the first chapter or two, my director chastised me about this choice, “you are asking your reader to do your research for you.”
His point was that, as the one making the case, I needed to digest the material for the reader. If I just put all the data out there and asked the reader to sift through it all, I would be asking too much of the reader and I would lose my audience.
He was right. As much as I hated to cut all that material (which I found extremely interesting), it was ultimately a distraction that was just getting in the way.
Are you totally out of touch with reality?
People go to buffets to fill one or two plates.
If one is unfamiliar with cuisine, as you claim to be with consciousness after death, then they try a little bit of this or that.
Do not expect me to converse with you until the way you process information improves.
People go to buffets to fill one or two plates. If one is unfamiliar with cuisine, as you claim to be with consciousness after death, then they try a little bit of this or that.
Your analogy is not apt. I don’t want to try a bit of this or that. I want to try the best.
Here is a better analogy:
ME: The Chinese food in this small town is crap. It is just greasy and the only flavor is salt.
YOU: Oh, no, I beg to differ. There is exceptional Chinese food in this town.
ME: Well, I’ve eaten at all three of the Chinese restaurants in town, and found them all terrible, but you’ve obviously tried something I haven’t. I’m open to being persuaded–after all, if there is exceptional Chinese food in town, I’d love to be able to enjoy it. Can you tell me a specific dish served at a particular restaurant you think is especially good?
YOU: No, just get on Yelp. I don’t have time to do your research for you.
ME: I have gotten on Yelp. I’m asking you for a dish you found in town that you think is a great representative of the fantastic Chinese food in town.
YOU: No, there are too many great dishes to pick one that is best.
ME: Okay, fine. If there are a lot of comparably great dishes available, can you just name one for me to try, so I can see that it isn’t all just flavorless garbage that will leave me with severe digestive issues. If I see promise in that dish, I will keep experimenting with others.
YOU: Here is a buffet at one of the restaurants.
ME: I didn’t ask for a buffet. I asked for a dish you found exceptional. I’ve tried the food at that restaurant, and what I tried was terrible; I’m not just going to sample everything blindly because of my bad prior experiences.
YOU: Are you out of touch with reality? People go to a buffet to taste a little of everything. I’m not talking to you anymore.
ME: uh, okay, dude.
Quantum Mechanics and the Near Death Experience
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Doug Matzke has a Ph.D. in Quantum Computing.
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About his book Deep Reality
“Deep Reality is a fascinating and thought-provoking exploration of the nature of reality. The authors weave together science from a diverse array of disciplines to challenge many commonly held assumptions about consciousness, life/death, artificial intelligence, the power of thoughts, and beyond. It is this sort of open-minded discussion that will usher in a more comprehensive scientific framework than the reigning (and deeply flawed) materialist paradigm.”
—Mark Gober
Author of An End to Upside Down Thinking and Board member at the Institute of Noetic Sciences
“Fascinating … Matzke and Tiller’s Deep Reality is like a rich and splendid conversation with two learned friends probing quantum science and hyperdimensional space. Their sharing is like a devotional exercise weaving timeless truths with what we know about the science of quantum mechanics. It engages the mind and the heart, to the ultimate benefit of both.”
—Nisha J. Manek, MD
Author, Bridging Science and Spirit: The Genius of William A. Tiller’s Physics and the Promise of Information Medicine
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Doug:
The mind is quantum.
Steefen:
So you cannot be committed to classical science since in addition to NDEs, there are other transcendent experiences.
Doug said something about The Three Body Problem. What is that? It’s a book, first in a trilogy.
Doug:
There is the classical realm. 1 metre to 1 micrometre.
Below that is the quantum realm. 1 nanometre to 1 yoctometre 10 to the -24.
Below that is the Plank Scale. 10 to the -27 to 10 to the -36
Below that, there is no space and no time where transcendent experiences have their physics. There is hyperspace with ebits, qubits, and bits.
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…Then again, most Americans don’t try to explain to me how QM gives a scientific explanation for portals through which we can communicate with otherworldly intelligences.
True, that is rather like learning to drive an automatic transmission before a stick shift isn’t it? Ha! Imagine if logic and skepticism were taught in High School rather than as a philosophy elective in college!
Noise from Pophyry, Stephen, and Robert about What the Three Body Problem is?
Steefen:
within the last 45 days I was listening to a radio broadcast on NPR about objects that orbit the moon and objects that orbit Jupiter.
The person being interviewed was explaining how he knew where things would go if there were two objects but when a third object influenced orbital dynamics. It was impossible or extremely difficult to tell.
Yes, it is a Netflix show but the three-body problem in The Three Body Problem Netflix series is what I mentioned above about orbital physics.
In simple terms, a three-body problem exists when three celestial objects (planets, stars, or suns) with similar mass are in close proximity and therefore exerting force on each other. Normally when two objects exert force on each other, it’s easier to predict the objects’ rotation.
Doug:
There is the classical realm. 1 metre to 1 micrometre.
Below that is the quantum realm. 1 nanometre to 1 yoctometre 10 to the -24.
Below that is the Plank Scale. 10 to the -27 to 10 to the -36
Below that, there is no space and no time where transcendent experiences have their physics. There is hyperspace with ebits, qubits, and bits.
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Whenever we are talking about nonlocality, it is from the perspective of three dimensions.
Nonlocality is in an entangled space–two 2 dimensions (qubit) creating a four dimension ebit.
In quantum computing, a qubit or quantum bit is a basic unit of quantum information—the quantum version of the classic binary bit physically realized with a two-state device. A qubit is a two-state quantum-mechanical system, one of the simplest quantum systems displaying the peculiarity of quantum mechanics.
So, I can simulate a 3 dimensional world in a 5 dimensional universe.
Steefen:
That’s what we were saying earlier in the Flatland discussion or the discussion of 11 dimensions and how a higher dimensional world is able to come through a lower dimensional world.
Doug:
You have nonlocal behavior in transcendent experience, there is a mechanism in scientific/simulation literature to support that.
You do not have use language like spooky action at a distance like Einstein did.
Steefen:
So, it is an insult to compare someone to that lame-brain Einstein.
Doug:
There is a mechanism AND a hyperspace and mathematical structure to support experiences transcending What?
Transcending the classical, material realm.
The mind transcends the body.
Steefen:
Then he goes back into what we were talking about earlier where Paul Wallis said you can do a double slit experiment with a camera OR you can do a double slit experiment with a cameraman (with consciousness) and it makes a difference–it influences the quantum state!
Doug:
Nothing can influence a quantum state EXCEPT another quantum state.
The fact that the mind can do that shows that the mind is part of the same infrastructure as quantum mechanics.
Doug:
If there are quantum structures in the brain, the mind can influence those, too.
The quantum states are outside of time.
NDE, lucid dreaming, remote viewing phenomena are explainable. The mind can access other information unlimited by distance and time.
NDEs are not hallucinatory because hallucinations are manufactured by the brain but with an NDE the mind is separated from the brain.
Steefen:
The mind is not just outside of the body looking down at the operating table, it is outside of the brain within the corpse.
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Yea, so the radio program was interesting to me.
So here is a website that shows what is orbiting the moon:
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As for Jupiter …
Jupiter has 95 moons that have been officially recognized by the International Astronomical Union. But the number doesn’t capture the complexity of the Jovian system of moons, rings and asteroids. The giant planet has
thousands of small objects in its orbit.
Doug:
There are shared death experiences when a person is having an NDE and another person gets swept up in the NDE.
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We’re more advanced beings because we’ve had experiences of NDE and telepathy–remote viewing, etc.
Doug likes the Monroe Insitute probably because it has a Lucid Dreaming course.
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