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John 4:23-24 a theological nightmare
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Jill_L

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November 18, 2024 - 3:08 pm

Well, that was fun!

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Jill_L

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November 18, 2024 - 3:13 pm

Oh, again, I didn’t see the prior post. Being indistinguishable from the accusative, you’re saying the accusative case is also pneuma

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Robert
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November 18, 2024 - 3:16 pm
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Jill_L

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November 18, 2024 - 3:19 pm

But theos is not neuter. .

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Jill_L

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November 18, 2024 - 3:20 pm

And if theos is not neuter and in the nominative, then pneuma must be in nominative?

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Jill_L

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November 18, 2024 - 3:35 pm

The Hebrew doesn’t have a neuter, but I know the cases have to agree to an extent.

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November 18, 2024 - 3:40 pm

I don’t think the words would make sense it you interpreted pneuma as an accusative, so I think context requires taking it as a nominative.

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Jill_L

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November 18, 2024 - 3:50 pm

So both being nominative it’s all one big stative?

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Robert
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November 18, 2024 - 3:52 pm
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Colin Milton

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November 18, 2024 - 6:59 pm

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There is an error in the computer. Lord have mercy. Computers cannot error. That’s what they told us.

It’s all part of a decoy to remove Mary Magdalene out of the story.

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Robert
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November 18, 2024 - 7:22 pm
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Colin Milton

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November 18, 2024 - 7:32 pm

I’ve never heard of stative verbs before. Philosophically I would say those don’t exist and the concept is a falsehood.

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Colin Milton

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November 18, 2024 - 7:34 pm

The error is O and tous are the same Strongs G number

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Robert
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November 18, 2024 - 7:54 pm
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Colin Milton

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November 19, 2024 - 4:12 am

Is this where the past, present, future all coexist as one time? The stative of God verb. Time is a state of being that never changes?

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Colin Milton

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November 19, 2024 - 7:18 am

My overall knowledge of Hebrew is that the diacritics are marks of sarcasm and without is a mark of ambiguity. Either way is a form of deception within business contracts.

There is no trust. Only suspicion and the toxic nature. The stative verb is yet to exist. It’s an ancient ploy devised by women to trick men into talking about their feelings before signing a business contract.

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Colin Milton

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November 19, 2024 - 7:40 am

The philosophical problem being that the stative (emotion) cannot be measured or demonstrated without a dynamic (action). Therefore it is all mostly dynamic when it exists or has influence. A stative is more fantasy than reality.

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Jill_L

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November 19, 2024 - 10:05 am

Colin,
You said, Time is a state of being that never changes?

But there is no mention of time here I think. Aion is time in the Greek; so I would think instead of pneuma the author would have written aion. The way I understand it, which is in a most simplistic way is, that in the Greek, pneuma is a material substance that imbues and influences every, at least living, thing.

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Jill_L

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November 19, 2024 - 4:07 pm

Actually, I think aion is adverb, knowing so little about Greek, but I think you can get the gist of what I want to say.

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November 19, 2024 - 4:28 pm
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