Jill said:
I’m curious BJH. Which books of Lamb’s did you read? I tried picking up a Chomsky book, once, and almost immediately set it down again.
Was it pages from book(s) or entire books?
I can understand someone almost immediately putting down a Chomsky book on linguistics after just picking it up!
If I recall correctly, and we’re talking about 40 years ago, the only book I read of Lamb’s was his ** you do not have permission to see this link **The rest would have been journal articles or papers.
The theory of grammar I always gravitated to was ** you do not have permission to see this link **
Thanks for the Wikipedia articles, BJH. By the reading of these, I think, like you, I am more drawn to the systemic school. So . . . for now, to avoid spending money on another book, I’ve taken a look through the MelCat. I’ve been able to find an earlier edition of the Halliday book, Intro to Functional Grammar. I couldn’t find the exact title of the Matthiessen and Teruya collaboration, but I did find a couple titles that struck me as possibly similarly oriented: Matthiessen & Teruya, Key Terms in System Functional Linguistics (2014) ** you do not have permission to see this link **.
I found another available title, ** you do not have permission to see this link ** : a functional perspective (2005), edited by Ruqaiya Hasan, Christian Matthiessen, and Jonathan Webster. This is a two-volume work. (I just thought I’d post this one because Ruqaiya Hasan was left out above.)
Thanks for the titles – all look worth owning.
It is a pity they’re all so pricey, but that’s what libraries are for.
Once I’m back in the States, I’ll see which ones I can find through interlibrary loan.
In the meantime, I’ll be seeing what I can find online. I just came across ** you do not have permission to see this link **which looks good.
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People enjoyed drugged wine.
The wine killed the bacteria in the water.
Hebrew is Greek by Dr Joseph Yehuda
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Also see Paleo-Hebrew is Paleo-Greek.
The priestly blessing from Numbers 6:24-26–Ketef Hinnom silver scrolls, late 7th-early 6th century BCE pre-dating the Septuagint.
Luke Gorton:
The Assyrians destroyed Israeli and Judean culture in 721 BCE.
The Babylonians burned Jerusalem to the ground in 586 BCE.
Steefen:
Yahweh already had the experience of being DEFEATED before AD70–we KNOW that.
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Ammon is not convincing when speaking against the silver scrolls and the way it was translated.
But Ammon gets stronger when the Aramaic “why hast thou forsaken me” is shown in Greek.
Luke was persuasive about going beyond the sound like methodology that Ammon used.
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Hebrew is Greek by Dr Joseph Yehuda
I am wondering why you have a doctorate title before his name.
As for Hebrew being Greek, one can only wonder what motivates people to believe such nonsense.
Consider ** you do not have permission to see this link **:
Yahuda has scientifically proven that both Hebrew and Arabic are Greek in their origin, as is true with the other languages of the world. It is to be regretted that the speakers of this distorted Greek dialect do not take advantage of this, so as to elevate themselves to free and Christ-loving Greeks, as their compatriot Yahuda has done. Many of them prefer to live in the dark; It is a fact to be pitied that some are fanatics who hate everything Greek, especially her history and her language. In the past, many such men appeared in the Roman State as politicians, academics or administrators in the public sector, and fought against everything that was Greek. Nowadays, such men cooperate with the global powers that are propelling the world toward destruction. A destruction that can only be avoided by a rebirth of the only salvation for humanity: Greek Civilization!
Steefen said:
Luke was persuasive about going beyond the sound like methodology that Ammon used.
Yahuda’s ** you do not have permission to see this link **
Yahuda’s ability to connect any Hebrew word to a Greek one rests not so much on his lack of interest in systematic correspondences of sound (which a linguist would demand) but his ‘method’ of turning one Hebrew sound into a variety of others. This is really a great trick. By using four different modern systems of pronunciation for Biblical Hebrew (namely Ashkenazi, Baghdadi, Sephardi, and Yemenite), treating them all as ancient, and then treating these sounds not just as dialectal variants but as interchangeable, he makes every word impossibly manifold. So, for instance ts can be s, ch can be g, on and on (pp. 22-7). He uses whichever suits his purpose at the moment.
He does the same with Greek, of course. For instance, he mentions off-hand the “interchanging τ with θ and σ, κ and χ, α and ο, ο and ε, ε and ει, ου and ι” (p. 24). I have no idea where he got those from, but at times it becomes clear what game he’s playing.
I first became interested in ** you do not have permission to see this link **in research for a paper I was doing.
BJH1960 said
Thanks for the titles – all look worth owning.
It is a pity they’re all so pricey, but that’s what libraries are for.
Once I’m back in the States, I’ll see which ones I can find through interlibrary loan.
In the meantime, I’ll be seeing what I can find online. I just came across ** you do not have permission to see this link **which looks good.
That does look good. Maybe I’ll read that first. I found ** you do not have permission to see this link **. This is one of three parts. I’ve read just a little so far. I like the illustrative diagrams. Plus, I found some like or similar looking term(s) in my Waltke, Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax as part of the chapter on the verbal systems, such as, transitivity, causation construction, factitive, resultative.
I don’t know how far I’ll get with it. ..
A little further.
I first became interested in ** you do not have permission to see this link **in research for a paper I was doing.
It’s very illuminating to go back and look at attempts to interpret Egyptian hieroglyphics before Champollion successfully translated them (with a big assist from the Rosetta Stone). It’s still enormously entertaining to read the accounts produced by both Arabs and Europeans. The more mystical the better!
I was not earlier aware of** you do not have permission to see this link **but am now happy to be acquainted.
Jeepers I realize we all have our own obsessions and are all on our own quests. God knows there is only so much time in the day. But if anyone is interested don’t miss Crawford’s modern ** you do not have permission to see this link ** of the Norse Eddas and Sagas. Terrific stuff! And looking at his books on Amazon reminds me he has published an updated version of his Poetic (Elder) Edda translation.
Folks who grow up on a steady diet of Marvel Comics are scarcely prepared for the characters of Thor and Loki as presented in the original stories. Loki is not evil. He is the Divine Trickster. Loki’s job is to keep the plates spinning in the air. Thor is a plodding dullard always getting tricked by Loki. Thor solves all his problems by smashing something with his hammer. (These stories are often very funny. The Norse had the same attitude towards the gods as did the ancient Greeks.) Best of all though is the mysterious character of the Allfather, Odin, god of poetry and magic.
and are all on our own quests.
I like the sound of that. So true.
But if anyone is interested don’t miss Crawford’s modern ** you do not have permission to see this link ** of the Norse Eddas and Sagas. Terrific stuff! And looking at his books on Amazon reminds me he has published an updated version of his Poetic (Elder) Edda translation.
And they can be had for a pittance. When the mood strikes, I think I’ll order one and see what I make of it.
It’s encouraging to see folks like him making videos that actually inform.
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Christing
Steefen:
OMG: Hillman brought up Bart Ehrman looking so bad (2:46.30 to 2:45.53+). Good morning Vietnam!
Ammon:
An antidote was given to Jesus when he was on the cross.
Luke Gorton:
I don’t have a problem with what Ammon is saying.
Luke goes on to describe and I will just go to google’s AI Overview:
a newly coined word, expression, or usage that gains traction in language, often to describe new concepts or technologies (like “** you do not have permission to see this link **), and eventually either become standard vocabulary or fade away.
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Danny Jones and everyone present:
Christos means you have been anointed.
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a colonial, cosmopolitan, elite language
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Luke Gorton’s monologue about the Bitten One
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So Peter had a secretary.
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There will be a Part 2 of this discussion.
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Luke:
I think there’s more that both of us could bring to bear. I went through 3 of 10 points. Ammon, I’m sure there’s more that you can bring.
Ammon:
Thank you Danny for finally sponsoring a talk between two Classicists. Thank you Luke for coming to this discussion.
Steefen:
Your position is not the same reception Luke gave to Ammon.
Luke:
The methodology used by Ammon has improved.
Robert:
His analysis is essentially the same as the silly ‘sounds like’ method only worse because of the number of separate meaningless phonemes.
Steefen:
Luke did not call Ammon’s methodology silly or comment 28, “gibberish.”
There is a big difference between a methodology that was once used vs. a more advanced methodology.
One man cuts a lawn with a manual lawnmower, another man cuts a lawn with a powered lawnmower. The manual lawnmower is not silly.
BJH
Hebrew is Greek by Dr Joseph Yehuda
I am wondering why you have a doctorate title before his name.
Steefen
Because I watched the video and took notes of what was said.
Geoffrey C Hazzan
Reviewed the book on Amazon
His Five-Star Review is entitled Meticulous Philology
53 people found the review helpful.
At a synagogue, he lectured on the subject of his book, Hebrew is Greek.
For this subject, he is an independent researcher.
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