Stephen said
Oh Steefen, no.C S Lewis once said of his friend, writer Charles Williams, that he put things in his theology that should have been left to his fiction and things in his fiction that should have been left to his theology. Books like Giants on Ancient Earth are fantasy novels disguised as history. Pseudo-history.
Why isn’t the mythology of the Watchers interesting to you without having to pretend it’s real?
Stephen’s response to Giants on Ancient Earth: An in-depth Study on the Nephilim.
Steefen’s response to Stephen
Okay, you want something less ancient? I will stick with the ancient giants AND give you something less ancient.
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(the video also includes small coverage of the Genesis and Enoch accounts of giants)
Antiquities of the Jews
Book 5, Chapter 2, Line 3
3. For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing.
I understand that there is a tribe of giants in the New York area, and that they engage in an annual kind of ritual war with several other groups. It has something to do with chasing an oddly shaped ball, but once obtained, it gets thrown and kicked around. It seems very strange to me.
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Evidence of the skeletons
Evidence of the skeletons throughout the world
Evidence of the skeletons in the New York Times
Evidence of the Smithsonian collecting skeletons
Evidence of the Egyptian sarcoghagi for giants
Evidence of ancient artwork
Photographic evidence
Quote by Abraham Lincoln
A Catholic priest, who chose to remain anonymous said amending the Bible to fit a different scenario “is against morality and the law, so how can we still teach professional ethics with this book?”
No comment. My irony meter blew out.
Steefen I have no doubt that you are a sincere seeker after truth, a nice guy and a good friend, but the stuff in these videos is utter rubbish.
Rubbish is the right word for this sort of presentation, even if it might be somewhat entertaining rubbish. The fact that reasonably slick videos like this can be produced is more a testament to technology than merit. The blatant manipulation of material and the conflation of very tall people as giants with giants that would have been twice that size, reaches von Daniken levels of absurdity. (I particularly like the fact that they made a moving video of the static image of Abraham Lincoln, and obviously added scratch marks to the video as if to make it seem like it was archival material of greater historical value.)
There appears to be a limit of about 9 feet for humans, and these are cases where people tend to have a variety of related medical complications that would probably have been impossible to survive in ancient times without modern medical intervention. The evidence being offered here is much like saying that the huge statues of Ramses mean that he was really that big himself. We also have very old maps with illustrations that show humanoid figures with their heads in the middle of their bodies, and other literally fantastic images, none of which should be taken to assume accurate depictions. Note that even in the video, there is a map that shows California as an island. That map hardly proves that California is, today and in fact, an island, because we absolutely know that it is not.
But the real problem with these kinds of conspiratorial claims that information and evidence are being suppressed by the professional community is that such an idea is totally absurd. There would be absolutely no reason to suppress this information. Indeed, professionals would be as excited about it as they are to present new dinosaurs and fragmentary remains of our ancient ancestors. The reason for the apparent coverup is that there really is nothing to cover up. Information of this kind is not being suppressed, it simply does not exist.
I am reminded of a bit that Eric Idle did for a Steve Martin show many years ago, presenting a “documentary” about how Stonehenge was actually built by dinosaurs. (It is very funny, and worth watching if you can find it on youtube.)
The video quality is not great, but the jokes still work:
Stephen said
A Catholic priest, who chose to remain anonymous said amending the Bible to fit a different scenario “is against morality and the law, so how can we still teach professional ethics with this book?”No comment. My irony meter blew out.
Steefen I have no doubt that you are a sincere seeker after truth, a nice guy and a good friend, but the stuff in these videos is utter rubbish.
Sorry, Stephen and JAS, name calling [rubbish] is not allowed in professional argumentation. Feel free to attack all of the following:
Evidence of the skeletons
Evidence of the skeletons throughout the world
Evidence of the skeletons in the New York Times
Evidence of the Smithsonian collecting skeletons
Evidence of the Egyptian sarcoghagi for giants
Evidence of ancient artwork
Photographic evidence
Quote by Abraham Lincoln
Steefen said
Sorry, Stephen and JAS, name calling [rubbish] is not allowed in professional argumentation. Feel free to attack all of the following:
Evidence of the skeletons
Evidence of the skeletons throughout the world
Evidence of the skeletons in the New York Times
Evidence of the Smithsonian collecting skeletons
Evidence of the Egyptian sarcoghagi for giants
Evidence of ancient artwork
Photographic evidence
Quote by Abraham Lincoln
None of the evidence you claim really exists. There is no skeletal evidence of any human being who was taller than about 9 feet. (If there is, produce it. No, the cheesy video is not sufficient proof.) The Smithsonian is not hiding skeletons of giant humans. (Maybe Lincoln said the quote, but he would not have done so from any special knowledge.) The artwork does not show what you claim. A mix of smaller and larger figures in a tomb painting are not necessarily meant as depictions of giants. The large sarcophagi are because they contained several inner containers, like nesting boxes, not because they contained one large person. Your claims are nothing but extravagant fantasies.
JAS said
Steefen said
Sorry, Stephen and JAS, name calling [rubbish] is not allowed in professional argumentation. Feel free to attack all of the following:
Evidence of the skeletons
Evidence of the skeletons throughout the world
Evidence of the skeletons in the New York Times
Evidence of the Smithsonian collecting skeletons
Evidence of the Egyptian sarcoghagi for giants
Evidence of ancient artwork
Photographic evidence
Quote by Abraham Lincoln
None of the evidence you claim really exists. There is no skeletal evidence of any human being who was taller than about 9 feet. (If there is, produce it. No, the cheesy video is not sufficient proof.) The Smithsonian is not hiding skeletons of giant humans. (Maybe Lincoln said the quote, but he would not have done so from any special knowledge.) The artwork does not show what you claim. A mix of smaller and larger figures in a tomb painting are not necessarily meant as depictions of giants. The large sarcophagi are because they contained several inner containers, like nesting boxes, not because they contained one large person. Your claims are nothing but extravagant fantasies.
Not that I agree with you in the slightest–as if you have researched all of the newspaper articles and the many skeletons found in the U.S. alone,
and the photographic evidence?
Where is your rebuttal to Josephus writing about giants.
Steefen said
Where is your rebuttal to Josephus writing about giants.
Where did Josephus ever say that he saw a giant? Where did he ever say that he saw a human like man or woman who was more than 15, 20 or 25 feet tall? He is just repeating old stories. You might as well be citing Grimm’s fairy tales as evidence.
This does raise a question that might not be obvious at first but…how did the giants, offspring of the monstrous sexual congress between Watchers and human women, survive the Flood? We are informed that during the Conquest of the Promised Land the Children of Israel encountered the descendants of the giants. But…but…but…the blasphemous union of divine and human took place before the Flood and was in fact the actual impetus for it. Noah and his family were the only survivors, right?
Stephen said
This does raise a question that might not be obvious at first but…how did the giants, offspring of the monstrous sexual congress between Watchers and human women, survive the Flood? We are informed that during the Conquest of the Promised Land the Children of Israel encountered the descendants of the giants. But…but…but…the blasphemous union of divine and human took place before the Flood and was in fact the actual impetus for it. Noah and his family were the only survivors, right?
Maybe they are very good swimmers, or they stood on the tops of mountains, on their tippy-toes. (Or maybe the watchers repeated their offenses after the flood)
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