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Genesis 8:4 The Ark rested on the mountains PLURAL of Ararat / Ararat came after the flood ? ? ?
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DavidFord

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“I’m very interested in hearing why he considers her to be credible”

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Another credible source of information.
Her willingness to go against the grain and support unpopular notions such as the flat earth should be commended. A woman of solid principle.

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DavidFord

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October 20, 2026 - 8:19 am

“their rubbish”
What are 3 erroneous claims they presented?
And what’s the reality of the matter?

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October 20, 2026 - 8:52 am

The forum is never going to be the place most of us envisage, where people of different beliefs respectfully and rationally approach issues, as long as they are permitted to carry on and all efforts are spent trying to curtail their non-stop nonsense.

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DavidFord

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October 20, 2026 - 9:32 am

“The forum is never going to be the place most of us envisage… as long as they are permitted to carry on”
Do you believe they should be banned or shadowbanned?

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** you do not have permission to see this link ** (when identified my multiple members) who disregard moderation and warnings may face more serious consequences, but only in consultation with Professor Ehrman.”

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Robert
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October 20, 2026 - 10:44 am
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BJH1960

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October 20, 2026 - 11:05 am

Will do.

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Steefen
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October 20, 2026 - 11:56 am

Robert said

Steefen said
And why doesn’t the NRSV say on the Ararat massive, @Robert?

Because it is a translation of the Hebrew.

So, this lady is smarter than the two of you about some points of interest regarding the bible verse.

How so? Did she explain the Hebrew to you? Does she even know Hebrew?

And you wonder why I have the wisdom to cautiously answer your question ? ? ? ?

But you haven’t answered my questions, neither cautiously nor spontaneously. You’re still avoiding my questions. Why are you avoiding my questions about the credibility of your source and whether or not you also believe in some of her other claims? By ‘cautious’, do you mean ‘fear’? Are you afraid to answer the questions for some reason? You’re among friends here. No need for caution or fear. It is just a discussion, and a friendly one at that? Why so cautiously avoidant, Steefen?
  

You have been answered. You do not like the answer.
The lady traveled to Turkey with a case to present to the people who give permission to do research and got the appropriate license to do research. 
Research requires more than one person. The lady arranged for equipment to do research.

She began that research and reported her findings and will report more findings.

How much would that cost? She has credibility with the Turkish officials who granted her permission. And She has credibility with the people who have the necessary equipment needed for her research design. 

You cannot take that away from her.

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Steefen
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October 20, 2026 - 12:06 pm

Robert said

BJH1960 said
The forum is never going to be the place most of us envisage, where people of different beliefs respectfully and rationally approach issues, as long as they are permitted to carry on and all efforts are spent trying to curtail their non-stop nonsense.  

Start a thread on who you think should be banned and why. If not banned, some other limitations placed on them? See how much support there is. Judith has expressed support for some kind of ‘three strikes’ provision.
Personally, I think three or four people here never contribute much of anything of value and the forum would be improved by their removal. But they or others probably think the same of me. 
  

Not only of you but Judith and BJH1960.

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October 20, 2026 - 12:09 pm

Robert said

Steefen said
And why doesn’t the NRSV say on the Ararat massive, @Robert?

Because it is a translation of the Hebrew.

So, this lady is smarter than the two of you about some points of interest regarding the bible verse.

How so? Did she explain the Hebrew to you? Does she even know Hebrew?

  

The NRSV has no footnotes? That is not an acceptable scholarly response.

Knowing Hebrew is not the answer to everything and it will not answer what is going on with the Sumer accounts. This is why you need to be banned.

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Steefen
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October 20, 2026 - 12:12 pm

Where is your agreement with me that the interview failed to bring up the three Sumer accounts? You want to talk about fairness, objectivity, friendliness. No, you want to encourage BJH1960 and Judith to attack long-standing members.

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Robert
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Robert
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DavidFord

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October 22, 2026 - 8:14 am

Genesis 8:4 (NIV)
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and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month
the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

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Steefen
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October 22, 2026 - 11:43 am

Robert said

Steefen said 
The NRSV has no footnotes? That is not an acceptable scholarly response.

What kind of scholarly footnote were you looking for?

Knowing Hebrew is not the answer to everything and it will not answer what is going on with the Sumer accounts. This is why you need to be banned.  

Knowing Hebrew was merely sufficient to say that the NRSV provides a translation only of this Hebrew sentence. A translation of the Hebrew is not attempting to explain Sumerian accounts. 
  

A translation of the Hebrew should attempt to explain what it translated and what is actually there: a massif of the Greater Ararat and the Lesser Ararat.

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Robert
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October 22, 2026 - 11:48 am
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Steefen
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October 22, 2026 - 6:48 pm

Commentaries are common. A commentary could be notated. There is at least one Archaeological Bible. I owned one.

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Robert
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October 22, 2026 - 6:57 pm
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