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As I was saying, there are bible scholars who try to place the Bible stories using archaeology. That is not silly or fundamentalist. It is scholarly.
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Steefen, I really wish you wouldn’t take offense so easily.
All any of us are trying to do is have a conversation about things with you.
It seems you expect whatever you post should be accepted without question. Shouldn’t whatever any of us post be open to examination?
Perhaps, it would help to understand what approach you’re taking with the text.
There is a connection between Sumer and the Indus Valley.
The Indus Valley Civilization (IVC), also called the ** you do not have permission to see this link **, was a Bronze Age urban culture (c. 3300–1300 BCE) in South Asia, known for advanced city planning, drainage, and trade, flourishing in the fertile Indus River valley (modern Pakistan & NW India) and comparable to Egypt & Mesopotamia in sophistication. It featured large cities like Harappa & Mohenjo-daro with grid layouts, sophisticated water systems, and a unique script, but surprisingly lacked grand palaces or temples, suggesting a more egalitarian society.
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In essence, the Indus Valley Civilization was a highly developed, influential, yet enigmatic ancient society that laid foundations for later South Asian cultures.
Chronological Context
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Natufian culture (~9,075 BCE)
- Semi-sedentary hunter-gatherers in the Levant.
- Pre-agricultural villages; earliest proto-urban settlements.
- No sophisticated urban infrastructure like sewers.
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Earliest Eridu (~5,400 BCE)
- Recognized as one of the first true cities in Sumer.
- Features advanced urban planning, including temples, streets, and early sewer/drainage systems.
- Represents a fully urban civilization, well ahead of Adam’s traditional creation date in the Masoretic chronology.
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Adam (Masoretic, 3,760 BCE / AM 1)
- Traditional biblical creation date.
- From an archaeological standpoint, Adam comes after Eridu in absolute time, even though biblical chronology treats Adam as the starting point of human history.
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Genesis – Jewish Year 5786 ? ? ? ? ?
The Indus Valley shows us any Christian study group would see the chronological points back to a genesis would not go back to Sumer, but to the Indus Valley Civilization which interacted with Sumer. And as per the Israel Museum exhibit I attended at the Met Museum in the 1980s, the Natufian culture is older than the date shown for the Indus Valley Civilization.
Archaeology dates Göbekli Tepe to the Pre-Pottery Neolithic era, with construction beginning around 9600 BCE (11,600 years ago), making its earliest structures over 12,000 years old, predating agriculture and even pottery, and representing monumental architecture built by hunter-gatherers. It was used in phases until about 8000 BCE and features T-shaped pillars and circular enclosures, pushing back the timeline for complex societal organization.
Archaeology dates the origin of Neanderthals, or Homo neanderthalensis, to around 400,000 to 200,000 years ago in Europe and Asia, evolving from earlier human ancestors like Homo heidelbergensis, with the earliest distinct Neanderthal-like fossils appearing closer to 430,000 years ago, though they became widespread and “classic” around 130,000 years ago before disappearing by 40,000 years ago.
Archaeology dates the origin of Homo sapiens (modern humans) to Africa, with the oldest fossils found in Morocco (Jebel Irhoud) dating back about 315,000 years, pushing the timeline for our species’ emergence and dispersal across the continent much earlier than previously thought, though some genetic studies suggest origins potentially stretching back even further.
But both of those videos [Younger Dryas] are child’s play when God really created the first man 300,000 years ago.
And since we’re talking about God creating humanity, why even break up the Homo genus? Homo habilis goes back approximately 2 million years.
I’ll laugh at Atrahasis also. Even with the kings list of Sumer, Sumer doesn’t go back 2 million years.
God of the Torah and God of Christianity and the Holy Bible can’t get human origins right and he supposed to have a Son who saves? Really? And the Son who saves does so by receiving capital punishment from the empire over Jerusalem?
We can sift for gold in the story of Jesus, yes: but so much of Jesus, the False Prophet and the Logos spent no time telling disciples and followers how wrong Genesis was, how wrong Saul/Labayu and King David was, how wrong the dating of Homo sapiens sapiens was, how wrong the Apocalyptic messianic movement would turn out to be.
I think that the only proper response to either of these videos would be the Modern Greek expression: άρες μάρες κουκουνάρες (ares mares koukounares). Something nonsensical – mumbo jumbo.
The first channel provides us with a vast array of ** you do not have permission to see this link **
As for the second video, this description tells us all we need to know:
12,000 years ago, long before Egypt and Sumer, humanity may have witnessed a global catastrophe. Ancient stones in Turkey — including the mysterious Vulture Stone — appear to record a warning from the end of the Ice Age. Did an ancient civilization map the skies, survive the Great Flood, and leave us a message we’re only now beginning to decode? In this documentary, we explore the Younger Dryas cataclysm, a sudden event around 12,800 years ago that changed the Earth forever. Evidence suggests massive floods, comet impacts, and the collapse of civilizations that predated history. Cultures across the world — from the Bible’s story of Noah, to India’s tale of Manu, to Sumer’s Utnapishtim — speak of a Great Flood. Could these myths be memories of the same disaster? Archaeological sites like Göbekli Tepe, Karahan Tepe, and the entire Taş Tepeler region in Turkey show advanced planning, astronomy, and engineering thousands of years before mainstream history says civilization began. Were these monuments built by hunter-gatherers — or the survivors of a lost, forgotten civilization?
Steefen said:
God of the Torah and God of Christianity and the Holy Bible can’t get human origins right and he supposed to have a Son who saves? Really? And the Son who saves does so by receiving capital punishment from the empire over Jerusalem?
We can sift for gold in the story of Jesus, yes: but so much of Jesus, the False Prophet and the Logos spent no time telling disciples and followers how wrong Genesis was, how wrong Saul/Labayu and King David was, how wrong the dating of Homo sapiens sapiens was, how wrong the Apocalyptic messianic movement would turn out to be.
It hasn’t even been 200 years since Darwin published The Origin of Species. Of course, they weren’t going to get things right.
Why would Jesus tell his disciples how wrong things were when he believed them to be true?
I’m always the bad guy.
The idea that Jesus went to India originated with Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch way, waaay back in…1894. Notovitch claimed to find Tibetan Buddhist scrolls detailing the travels of Issa (Jesus) during his “missing years” (ages 12-30) before returning to Israel to begin his ministry. This “theory” immediately captured the fancy of groups like the Theosophists (you know, Madame Blavatsky), who popularized it. As far as I know, Notovitch’s book, The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ, has NEVER, -sigh-, been out of print. But don’t buy it! Go ** you do not have permission to see this link **.
Meanwhile, back on the Earth plane, we know that there were Buddhist missionaries, and converts(!) in Alexandria, Egypt in the third century BCE. They were sent under the direct orders of Emperor Ashoka as an outreach to the Hellenistic world.
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… Meanwhile, back on the Earth plane, we know that there were Buddhist missionaries, and converts(!) in Alexandria, Egypt in the third century BCE. They were sent under the direct orders of Emperor Ashoka as an outreach to the Hellenistic world.
Yeah, Jesus walking to Alexandria seems more likely … not necessarily likely, but more likely.
You’d reckon the number of itinerant wood or stone workers who worked their way from the Galilee to India and back in the first century CE would be pretty much zero.
Regarding Comment 35
Ashoka, also known as Asoka or Aśoka popularly known as Ashoka the Great, was Emperor of Magadha from c. 268 BCE until his death.
Magadha was a powerful ancient Indian kingdom located in modern-day Bihar, India, particularly around the Patna and Gaya districts, situated in the fertile Gangetic plains. It was a major power in ancient India, eventually becoming the heart of the Mauryan Empire, with its capital at Pataliputra (modern Patna).
People only traveled by walking?
I’m always the bad guy.
Not in my book.
Thanks for the background on the story.
Some people think Jesus went to India. If he did, he would have learned about the Indus Valley Civilization.
Well, the Mormons think he went to the U.S. and preached to the Native Americans, but that was after his resurrection.
People believe a lot of things. But just believing doesn’t make it so. The question is if there is any real evidence.
Steefen, how do you see it? Did Jesus, the composite character of historical fiction, visit India? Was it during his life or after his resurrection? How did he get there?
>> we know that there were Buddhist missionaries, and converts(!) in Alexandria, Egypt in the third century BCE. They were sent under the direct orders of Emperor Ashoka as an outreach to the Hellenistic world.
I had to fact check this, and you just blew my mind.
I know there was more contact between East and West than we sometimes think (the Silk road is very old), but I had no idea Buddhism was known to the “west” so early.
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