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The Jeremiah Failed Prophecy Needed to Be Rescued? Daniel Is a Forgery? ? ?
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Steefen
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February 17, 2024 - 12:33 am

Short Version

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Steefen
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February 17, 2024 - 1:03 am

Daniel predicted the First Jewish-Roman Was?

Sally Ann McAllister, M.Div.
History confirms that the terrifying beasts of Daniel 7
represent four kingdoms:

1) Babylon,
2) Medo-Persia
3) Greece, and
4) Rome.

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Robert
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February 17, 2024 - 11:06 am
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Steefen
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February 17, 2024 - 2:22 pm

Thank you Robert.

I just searched Bart’s “Recent Posts” using the term Daniel and I do not see anything about forgery.

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Steefen
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February 17, 2024 - 2:23 pm

I just googled and the result was to try

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February 17, 2024 - 2:26 pm

Commentary on the Book of the Prophet Daniel

Preface

By St. Jerome

Porphyry wrote his twelfth book against the prophecy of Daniel, denying that it was composed by the person to whom it is ascribed in its title, but rather by some individual living in Judaea at the time of the Antiochus who was surnamed Epiphanes. He furthermore alleged that “Daniel” did not foretell the future so much as he related the past, and lastly that whatever he spoke of up till the time of Antiochus contained authentic history, whereas anything he may have conjectured beyond that point was false, inasmuch as he would not have foreknown the future. Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, made a most able reply to these allegations in three volumes, that is, the eighteenth, nineteenth, and twentieth. Appollinarius did likewise, in a single large book, namely his twenty-sixth. Prior to these authors Methodius made a partial reply.

But inasmuch as it is not our purpose to make answer to the false accusations of an adversary, a task requiring lengthy discussion, but rather to treat of the actual content of the prophet’s message for the benefit of us who are Christians, I wish to stress in my preface this fact, that none of the prophets has so clearly spoken concerning Christ as has this prophet Daniel.

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February 17, 2024 - 2:28 pm

Well, a minister at Highland Park United Methodist Church did a sermon series on the Book of Daniel.
As pious congregants, we listened.

Why ? ? ! ! !

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February 17, 2024 - 2:30 pm

Here is the URL for the St. Jerome preface:

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Supposedly Jesus and Jewish Apocalypticism has the Book of Daniel as part of the foundation. So, that isn’t a strong pillar, eh?
Not as strong as something that doesn’t have the weaknesses the Book of Daniel has.

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February 17, 2024 - 2:31 pm

It’s in the Bible–The Word OF GAWD! ! ! !

And Jesus didn’t catch that ? ? ?

Just as Jesus didn’t catch that the architect of the first Temple was also the architect of the Ancient Egyptian Temple of a Thousand Years.

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February 17, 2024 - 2:36 pm

Oh My God, three-hour debate

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Steefen
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February 17, 2024 - 2:45 pm

Wow, the debate looks to be excellent, the first affirmative that Pophyry is wrong has a good slide.

See: 8:27 of the video.

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February 20, 2024 - 7:54 pm

I can’t get over the first Christian presenter’s consistently calling Porphyry ** you do not have permission to see this link **.

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Steefen
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February 21, 2024 - 11:38 pm

LOL

Why must he say Joseph-eus?

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Steefen
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February 22, 2024 - 12:36 am

The consensus changes.
– Stephen Boyce

I need to pick up at the 2nd rebuttal: 1:03:30.

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February 22, 2024 - 11:21 am

Daniel 9: 26
After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed.

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Stephen Boyce and Jonathan Sheffield won the debate.

Daniel 9:26 says the Anointed One will be killed. The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Therefore, even if Daniel should be dated to the second century BCE, Daniel 9:26 is still prophetic.

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February 22, 2024 - 11:34 am

Daniel supposedly lived until 538 BC.
The first temple was destroyed in 586 BC.
Daniel 9:26 is not about the destruction of the temple decades earlier.

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February 22, 2024 - 11:38 am

Still, Daniel is not giving us a glorious kingdom of the Son of Man.

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February 22, 2024 - 11:45 am

How many times did Jesus quote the Book of Daniel?
According to the indexes in the United Bible Societies Greek New Testament (4th ed.), Daniel is quoted five times (cf. Matt 24:30; 26:64; Mark 13:26; 14:62; Luke 21:27)1 and alluded to, or echoed, some 130 times.

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February 22, 2024 - 11:46 am

Stephen
So Jesus is supposed to be Daniel’s Anointed One? ? ?

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February 22, 2024 - 11:50 am

Christ’s disciples responded to His prediction that the temple would be destroyed (Matthew 24:1–2) by asking a two-part question. First, they asked when that would happen. Second, they asked what signs they should expect to see prior to His return (Matthew 24:3). In the prior passage, Jesus addressed the second question, explaining the state of the world during the end times (Matthew 24:4–14).

Here, Jesus continues to speak on that subject. He points to a moment that will mark the onset of the worst possible calamities. This instance is the same one referred to by the prophet Daniel as the “abomination of desolation.” Daniel speaks of this several times (Daniel 8:13; 9:27; 11:31; 12:11).

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