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Campbellian Concepts: Jesus is a Composite Character of Historical Fiction and DR. JAMES TABOR, Failed Apocalyptic Messiah 200 Years BEFORE Jesus
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Steefen
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October 7, 2026 - 10:31 pm

Jesus is a theological character.

Jesus could give a sermon but did not leave writings.

Jesus could give the beatitudes but not in Mark or John.

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Jesus was a theological character who was a Jewish false apocalyptic prophet of historical fiction.

Characters can be are created, characters can be assembled.

Pilate had a problem with a Samaritan. Rewrite the Samaritan. Let’s create a theological hero in our fiction.

Jews liked Caesar more than Pompey the Great. Use Caesar’s biography as an ingredient. Put a little bit of Odysseus and  little bit of Moses in the character being created. Jesus was a teacher. Give him 12 students. Give the hero the power to do miracles. Give him an unforgettable death. Use some of that. Julius Caesar had an unforgettable death. Both had betrayers–and the betrayer ate with the betrayed at his last supper. To a certain extent Julius Caesar lived after death.

a comet appeared about an hour before sunset and shone for seven days running. This was held to be Caesar’s soul, elevated to heaven…
Penguin Classics: The Twelve Caesars. Suetonius, translated by Robert Graves, Divus Julius, Section 88, p. 42.

Jesus was also elevated to heaven without appearing to Pontius Pilate first.

Jesus had no message for the man who sentenced him to crucifixion, Robert.

Jesus had no message for the rebels against Rome who started the Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Temple of Temple Judaism?

Jesus had no message for Mary who sacrificed her baby son by roasting her baby son and offering half of him for consumption?

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October 7, 2026 - 10:37 pm

Historical truth lends authority and that authority lends power.

Speak truth to power.

Speak gas to powerful gaslighters–even if they are historians and scholars.

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Historical accuracy isn’t just about literal truth but a question about authority.

The truths of Julius Caesar unquestionable had authority.

The truths of Jesus with NO military credentials could not trump Caesar. The truths of Jesus were insufficient without historical authority, therefore there had to be an historical Jesus, even as Bart said, the nonexistence of Jesus came in the last 200 or 300 years.

Jesus is an historical proposition–a failed hypothesis in more than one way.

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Robert
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October 8, 2026 - 4:35 am
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Steefen
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October 8, 2026 - 5:52 pm

Robert said

Steefen said
Speak gas to powerful gaslighters–even if they are historians and scholars.

If you want to credibly gainsay scholars, you will need more than insults, 
  

Scholars hold different opinions. There is no need to insult the ones who have airtight arguments.

Jesus is historical?
The insult is still sufficient because the biblical Jesus is still a false prophet
who misled people.
His renown or infamy among as you say, a large religion, number of followers, etc.
include conflicting gospels, crusades, inquisitions, and more.
You and your historians and scholars have THAT going for their gas.

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October 8, 2026 - 6:24 pm
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Steefen
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October 8, 2026 - 9:23 pm

Jesus as a true prophet and a defined messiah who led people rightly 
is more important than
Jesus as a false prophet who did not meet the qualifications of a defined messiah
and led people incorrectly/misled people.

To spend time getting a Master’s degree or a PhD studying
a true prophet and a defined messiah who led people rightly
is more important than
spending time getting a Master’s degree or a PhD
studying a false prophet who who did not meet the qualifications of a defined messiah
and led people incorrectly/misled people.

To spend time, say 17+ years studying and crafting a book about a true prophet…
is more important than
spending time studying and crafting a book about a false prophet…

Who would you give a prize to, a true prophet and a defined messiah who led people rightly
or
a false prophet who did not meet the qualifications of a define messiah and led people incorrectly/misled people?

Who spent his time wisely the person who spent time on a true prophet or one on a false prophet?
Who is modeled, the true athlete or the false athlete?

Spend more time with Augustus than Caligula, PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION instead of wasting time with nonsense.
That’s what it has to do with.

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October 8, 2026 - 9:25 pm

Robert:
You claimed that the death of Jesus was not as consequential as the (that of the?) anonymous Samaritan leader.

Steefen:
I claimed that the death of Jesus was not as consequential for Pontius Pilate than the Samaritan leader was as consequential for Pontius Pilate.

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October 8, 2026 - 9:33 pm
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Steefen
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October 8, 2026 - 9:34 pm

Trying to enforce a falsehood through wars, book burning, inquisitions, and attempts at authority via historical accuracy of existence when Jesus at best had some good moments against scribes and Pharisees, pretending he was someone important with genealogies that don’t match and a divine biological parent as if he’s another Julius Caesar with a divine parent is stretching.

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October 8, 2026 - 9:39 pm

Robert said
No, Steefen. That is not what you said. 
  

I can explain myself to you.

You have to understand through listening or not understand.
You choose to not understand, that’s on you.

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October 8, 2026 - 10:27 pm
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October 9, 2026 - 11:22 pm

Robert said
Steefen, you’ve already told us what you meant and what you should have said. But it was not what you said. You were not truthful when you falsely claimed that what you meant to say was what you said. You would have a much easier time ime here if you were simply truthful and able to admit when you make a mistake. 
  

I know my train of thought. You don’t know what was going on. I  do.

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October 9, 2026 - 11:31 pm

Some of those who share views with me
are paying attention to this:

YouTube Channel: MythVision
Video: Jesus Never Existed? Adam Green Reveals The Jesus Deception

The Jesus Deception: A Mystical Midrashic Myth 
by Adam Green (Author) Format: Paperback
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October 9, 2026 - 11:45 pm
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October 9, 2026 - 11:56 pm

Some of those who share views with me
are paying attention to this:

YouTube Channel: MythVision
Video: Jesus Never Existed? Adam Green Reveals The Jesus Deception
48,000 + Views !

The Jesus Deception: A Mystical Midrashic Myth 
by Adam Green (Author) Format: Paperback
 4.8 out of 5 stars from 130 ratings

 

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YouTube Channel: MythVision
Video: Jesus Was NEVER the Messiah | Rabbi Tovia Singer
17,000 + Views ! 

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October 9, 2026 - 11:58 pm

Robert said

Steefen said
I know my train of thought. You don’t know what was going on. I  do.

But everyone can plainly see what you said and how you were subsequently untruthful about that. It would be so much better for your credibility to simply be honest and admit a simple mistake in not saying what you meant to say. Failing that, no one can take you seriously.
  
  

In your own mind.

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Mythvision and Adam Green:
Vridar was a mythicist.

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October 10, 2026 - 4:15 pm
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October 10, 2026 - 5:50 pm

Priceless.

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October 11, 2026 - 12:52 am

Rabbi Tovia Singer:
Read Galatians chapters 1 and 2.

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October 11, 2026 - 12:45 pm

Galatia: today is the capital of Turkey

Chapter 1
For Paul, God is the Father.
Jesus gave his life to rescue people from an age in the first century that was evil.

Steefen:
Why didn’t Noah give his life for a time that was evil.
This is some new solution?

Chapter 1 continued:
Listen only to my gospel. Why are you not listening only to my gospel?
You’re going to pervert the Gospel of Christ.
Even if an angel teaches you a Gospel, let the angel be cursed
because my revelation of the Gospel of Christ is true. An angel is untrue and needs to be cursed by God.

I seek the approval OF GAWD, I don’t seek the approval of man. I serve KA-RIST.
My gospel is not of human origin.

Steefen:
Unlike the good news Jesus told John the Baptist.
Jesus being a human means nothing of value to you.

Chapter 1 continued:
I’m dealing with a Jesus after that nonsense about being human.
A post-human Jesus Christ REVEALED all this to me.

I persecuted the human Jesus Christ and I’m still doin’ it. Destroy that nonsense.
GAWD set ME APART  to reveal his SON.
I did not consult a psychiatrist. I did not consult any human being.
I did not consult any Jews: I went to the Arabs and I returned to Damascus.
Three years later, then, I talked with Peter-Cephas, staying with him for 15 days
but not the other disciples, not the beloved disciple John or Mary Magdalene,
not Thomas, doubting Thomas, GAWD NO.
I wondered about the brother of Jesus, so I visited with him also. I’m not lying. As GAWD
the FAWTHER is my witness, believe me what I’m saying.

Then I went to Syria and Cilicia–churches in Judea didn’t know me. Well, they kind of knew me because
my reputation preceded me. I wasn’t a fan of the human Jesus but the Jesus who worked his way into 
what my mind would allow, that’s a different story.

Some version of Jesus took hold of me and people praised God for that.

Chapter 2

14 years later, Barnabas and I went to Jerusalem–Titus was with us also.
Why did I go? I had a revelation to present to the leaders of the Jerusalem Church what I was teaching Gentiles.
I didn’t want to do something in vain. They would tell me.

What am I talking about? 
Penis. Greek Titus wasn’t circumcised.

Steefen:
Jesus suffered on the cross for that. His crucifixion shall not be in vain.

Chapter 2 continued:
Some people infiltrated my following. They wanted us to be slaves to the Law.
If the Greeks didn’t want to be cut, leave them alone.
Verse 8, Peter talked to the circumcised. I talked to the uncircumcised.

James, Cephas, and John agreed with this. Remember the poor which I hadn’t forgotten.

But when Cephas came to Antioch, we had a disagreement. Cephas ate with the Gentiles until James’ people came to Antioch. Even Barnabas didn’t want to eat with the Gentiles. Well, the dining freedom should not be rejected.

When we go to the Gentiles, we don’t become sinners. Circumcision and dietary laws aren’t the whole story: that’s the meaning of Jesus Christ. Don’t be foolish.

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