Counterpoint:
Jesus did exist, and he is the Christ/Messiah.
Is everything written about him in the NT true and the absolute facts? This is another question, but I myself would say no, not everything.
So we have a difference of perspective and opinion here. Does this constitute WWIII? I hope not.
There are proofs of Jesus’s existence in all the texts and belief systems that people have built around him.
There are also a good number of people who think that having experienced his presence and his light is proof of his eternity and his existence. – – – Does this prove it to anyone else? Probably not, or not so much.
Probably we will have to go on with this difference of perspective and opinion for some time. Possibly forever.
Do we want to “proselytize” or “convert” each other one way or the other? This is perhaps not such a good idea.
We do all have the right to state our opinions and perspectives on the subject, however.
Here’s to the right to state and be open about our outlooks and perspectives! Let Freedom Ring!
But maybe we should try to be nice about it.
Helen Young said
Counterpoint:
Jesus did exist, and he is the Christ/Messiah.
Is everything written about him in the NT true and the absolute facts? This is another question, but I myself would say no, not everything.
So we have a difference of perspective and opinion here. Does this constitute WWIII? I hope not.
There are proofs of Jesus’s existence in all the texts and belief systems that people have built around him.
There are also a good number of people who think that having experienced his presence and his light is proof of his eternity and his existence. – – – Does this prove it to anyone else? Probably not, or not so much.
Probably we will have to go on with this difference of perspective and opinion for some time. Possibly forever.
Do we want to “proselytize” or “convert” each other one way or the other? This is perhaps not such a good idea.
We do all have the right to state our opinions and perspectives on the subject, however.
Here’s to the right to state and be open about our outlooks and perspectives! Let Freedom Ring!
But maybe we should try to be nice about it.
Resolution: The Biblical Jesus existed AND he is the Christ and the Jewish Messiah and the type of Messiah Christians Need.
First Affirmative Constructive
I. Everything in the New Testament about him is not true.
II. People have experienced him. His presence and light is proof of his eternity and his existence.
This is proof for some.
III. This proof is insufficient for all.
IV. Converting people perhaps is not a good idea.
V. We have the right and freedom to state and be open to opinions.
VI. Be nice.
This topic is important because it touches upon, it has implications for the discussion of White, heterosexual, Christian men of western civilization.
See YouTube Channel: Peak Prosperity
Video: Tucker Carlson: “I’m Starting to Think That Maybe This Is by Design”
** you do not have permission to see this link ** AI and the Future of Human Population
** you do not have permission to see this link ** Europe’s Demographic Contradictions
Some of the information in those to timestamps refer to the end of the world for more than a million people which would be biblical, theological, christological, and moral.
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** you do not have permission to see this link ** Prophets, Truth and Uncomfortable History
- Sawed in Two: The predominant tradition claims that Isaiah was executed by being sawn in half with a wooden saw (or a wood-saw).
- Hiding in a Tree: Several accounts, including ** you do not have permission to see this link ** and the Talmud, state that Isaiah fled and hid inside a hollow tree (often described as a cedar or old mulberry tree) in Silwan or near Jerusalem. King Manasseh’s men discovered him, and the tree was sawn down with the prophet inside.
- New Testament Allusion: Many biblical commentators link the phrase “they were sawn in asunder” in Hebrews 11:37 to the martyrdom of Isaiah.
- Reason for Execution: Jewish traditions recorded in the Talmud note that King Manasseh judged and condemned Isaiah for supposedly issuing statements that contradicted the Torah (such as contrasting views on seeing God or God’s nearness).
So, Isaiah was sawed in half and Jesus was crucified. James was killed. Peter was crucified upside down.
Allegedly.
What I label as your fourth plank is agreeable.
Tucker said pretty much if an action is producing an outcome and the action continues, then the outcome is what is desired.
In Southern Italy the worse case scenario for the diesel problem happened: grocery stores have no products.
In the United States, diesel is not only getting more expensive for truckers, truckers are having a very serious time staying in business. Food is anticipated to get more expensive. Farmer and cowboys are having trouble producing food.
I have looked at the cost of Medicare Part B premiums from 2000 – 2026. Cost have increased.
Christianity and your Christ can do what about it?
Christianity and your Christ can do what about the reduction in the need for human labor, making human labor useless eaters?
Like I said earlier, a value has to be affixed to “Did Jesus exist?”
I say, so what, someone made some valid points against Pharisees and scribes. There are other problems in this world, more important matters that some ancient local god and some local Christ let go too far.
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