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Did Joseph, the Husband of Mary, Really Exist?
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Robert
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July 6, 2022 - 7:09 pm
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Jarek

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July 6, 2022 - 9:31 pm

Robert said
No, your criticism of Tabor suggest more likely that you have not read the inscription in Greek than that Tabor has not. I am very critical of Tabor’s gullibility, but there is more to his interpretation than you allow. Tabor has definitely read the inscription in question and has a legitimate authority on his side, even if we do not accept his conclusion, there’s no reason to misrepesent it.

  

It is a quote from Janiszewski book. My criticism? I did not write a  word. I did not read Tabor’s book. What are You talking about? First time I recommended  Janiszewski book reaction was “whatever”. Now everybody is touched. 

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July 7, 2022 - 7:59 am
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July 7, 2022 - 11:48 am

What I really value is a querry of ancient sources and querry of contemporary interpretations. In one paper You have everythink about nativity stories, genealogies, Marian cult,  Panthera, … Tabor case is not important at all. But suRprisingly useful. 

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July 7, 2022 - 12:22 pm
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Jarek

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July 8, 2022 - 12:31 am

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But the quoted criticism of Tabor, even by my standards, was not really fair.

  

Janiszewski was criticized by reviewers and colleagues  for that. It is in the book. Of course they agreed with Janiszewski but it was out of The subject.   What is important. You see goals . Criteria and methods within single Project  common for different participants through The ages.

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July 8, 2022 - 7:33 am
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Jarek

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July 8, 2022 - 10:06 am

Robert said

Jarek said

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Na koniec trzeba wspomnieć o dwóch zupełnie innych kuriozalnych publikacjach, w których Panthera niestety zajmuje poczesne miejsce. I zrobimy to mimo protestów moich niektórych Kolegów i, w szczególności, Koleżanek, wyrażających opinię, że nie ma sensu odnosić się do pozycji niemądrych lub sensacyjnych, w obu przypadkach − nieprofesjonalnych. To prawda, w zasadzie można by wstydliwie przemilczeć ich istnienie, ale pokazują one pewne istotne zjawisko, stąd nie powinniśmy przymykać na nie oczu i udawać, że problem nie istnieje. 
In the end, we have to mention two completely different quirky publications in which Panthera unfortunately takes an early place. And we will do it despite the protests of some of my Colleagues(M) and, in particular, my Colleagues(W), expressing the opinion that it makes no sense to refer to silly or …  

  

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July 8, 2022 - 10:27 am

Polish historians are very conservative society. Everything published outside university Press is a bed  Time story. Despite author . I spent 6 months to find and convince  historian to get a rewiev of Creating Christ

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July 8, 2022 - 11:42 am

Jarek said
Polish historians are very conservative society. Everything published outside university Press is a bed  Time story. Despite author . I spent 6 months to find and convince  historian to get a review of Creating Christ

  

Presumably a situation further encouraged by university presses.

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July 8, 2022 - 12:20 pm
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Jarek

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July 8, 2022 - 12:36 pm

Robert said

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In the end, we have to mention two completely different quirky publications in which Panthera unfortunately takes an early place. And we will do it despite the protests of some of my Colleagues(M) and, in particular, my Colleagues(W), expressing the opinion that it makes no sense to refer to silly or …  

Who are these M and W groups of colleagues?

 

  

  

  

Man and Woman 

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July 8, 2022 - 1:00 pm
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Jarek

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July 8, 2022 - 2:03 pm

Seriously. West is West and East is East. Don’t Focus on this ugly Small quote. Read The Book.  Trust me

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July 8, 2022 - 8:27 pm

Paul Verhoeven Jesus of Nazareth.  Director of Basic Instinct, Robocop. The only non-scholar in Jesus Seminar 

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July 10, 2022 - 5:06 am

JAS said

Jarek said

Polish historians are very conservative society. Everything published outside university Press is a bed  Time story. Despite author . I spent 6 months to find and convince  historian to get a review of Creating Christ

  

Presumably a situation further encouraged by university presses.

  

From 5 to 30 usd for book or textbook. 

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July 11, 2022 - 5:53 pm

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I just heard a claim to the effect that Joseph, the purported husband of Mary, did not really exist, and that Mary was unmarried all her life; Joseph was invented by the early Christians to give Jesus a Davidic lineage through the male line.

What do you all think of that idea?

  

Probably worth noting that you don’t need to assign the name “Joseph” to Jesus’s father to put him in Davidic lineage.

The simplest answer is that the father of Jesus was named Joseph; but placing him into the House of David was far less likely.

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July 12, 2022 - 10:13 am

According to the concept of the Church Fathers, the line of David is shared by Mary and Joseph. They are very close relatives

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July 12, 2022 - 10:18 am

vergari said

Omar6741 said

I just heard a claim to the effect that Joseph, the purported husband of Mary, did not really exist, and that Mary was unmarried all her life; Joseph was invented by the early Christians to give Jesus a Davidic lineage through the male line.

What do you all think of that idea?

  

Probably worth noting that you don’t need to assign the name “Joseph” to Jesus’s father to put him in Davidic lineage.

The simplest answer is that the father of Jesus was named Joseph; but placing him into the House of David was far less likely.

  

I heard his father was named Pantera, a Roman soldier.

Well, that’s what Celsus told me anyway.

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July 12, 2022 - 10:21 am

Jarek said
According to the concept of the Church Fathers, the line of David is shared by Mary and Joseph. They are very close relatives

  

I’m pretty sure they were just funning you.

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