thanks Tompi – looks like I need to do some homework on waht Bart says – I would not relish getting into a debate with him on the subject…… or …….. errrrr maybe I might ….. knowing me 🙂
Robert: I’m intrigued. More anon. it’s late in the UK – off to bed
Best wishes to all (including godspell who’s got a bit cross with me and is ignoring me :-))
Stephen. Here is an interesting example of a modern day apocalyptic OBE vision, which I think goes some way in mitigating against the consensus of crtitical scholars that apocalyptic writing is explained by a ‘literature genre’. Â
The Israeli teenager, who had the experience, was from a secular family and not familiar with religious or apocalyptic writing or teaching.
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Thanks for the video.  Do you find it interesting that his “vision” of the heavenlies matched the views he would have received in his religious training?    Â
Hi Stephen. No, I don’t think so. As I said, according to the boy and his parents, he was a completely secular jew with absolutely no religious training or education, but after the vision, he, not suprisingly, got hijacked by the orthodox Rabbis. Of course, it is possible that he had come across apocalyptic ideas elsewhere – maybe he had seen the film Omen or Omen 2, but he says not and the events / imagery that he narrates, are described with great conviction and vividness and he is 100% convinced that he was taken from his body and shown these visions of heaven and hell and of an anti-Christ like figure (whom he thinks, strangely, is Barrack Obama
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Of course, even if you have had an apocalyptic vision, in order to make sense of it, you will always try and identify what you see with what you know and have previously experienced. Also, in the re-telling of the vision, it is always easy to fill in gaps or over-interpret what you have seen.
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