For some reason I don’t understand (maybe someone can explain it to me), one of the most frequently watched lectures I’ve ever given was on “Jesus, the Law, and the New Covenant.”   This was keynote address for the Mendenhall Symposium, in honor of the eminent scholar of the Hebrew Bible, George Mendenhall, on October 6, 2016 at the University of Michigan.  The symposium focused on issues on the law and covenant in the the Ancient Near East, the Hebrew Bible, and second-temple Judaism, with prominent scholars in these fields presenting papers on key aspects of the subject.

This is not a topic I normally talk about (I never had lectured on it before and, now that I think of it, have never done so since) and …   and well, it’s not one I would have guessed would be widely viewed.  But anyway, it is.  If you haven’t seen it, here it is.  And if you have seen it, well, here it is again.

 

 

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2024-09-16T11:56:32-04:00September 18th, 2024|Historical Jesus, Public Forum, Video Media|

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  1. c.kennethbauer September 18, 2024 at 11:52 am

    On the subject of a word in Matt 24:39 [ ἦρεν ] (lift). In Gen 7:17 the LXX uses [ ἐπῆρεν ] (lifted/bore up the ark). How does the adding the [ ἐπ ] effect this word [ ῆρεν ] meaning/ translation specifically?
    My understanding is that adding the [ ἐπ ] to ἦρεν turns “lift/lifted” into lift/lifted – up?

    • BDEhrman September 19, 2024 at 11:37 am

      Yeah, compound verbs in Greek are tricky. For those who would have no reason to know, a compound verb involves taking a verb (that already means something) and (in Grek) adding what is otherwise a preposition to it at its beginning to provide a different meaning, nuance, or emphasis. We have them in English but they’re a bit different from Greek; e.g. you can change a person or shortchange a person; you can sit or babysit; etc. Often in English there is no self-standing verb involved, just different compounds: involve, revolve, devolve — but we don’t have a verb “volve.” In Greek it’s usually a regular ole verb with a variety of prepositions that can be added to make it a different verb with different nuance/emphasis/ etc.
      In this particular case, the verbs are AIRO and the compound EPAIRO. Sometimes using the compound does not necessarily change gthe meaing much if at all. In a Greek lexicon the main definition of AIRO is “lift up” or “raise” and the main definition of EPAIRO is “lift up” or “raise” But in different literary contexts they can signify difrerent things, depending for example on what the object is. EPAIRO usually does mean something like “elevate” (to lift from teh ground, to raise to the lips, to elevate in importance) (The main verb is AIRO compounde with the preposition EP which usually means “upon” — so “lifted upon the waters, or, in Englishm lifted up); AIRO itself can mean a range of things connected with “lift” “raise” but also “take” “pick up” “carry” etc.
      The Greek OT of Genesus 7:17 says that during the flood the waters came and “lifted up” the ark (i.e., from the ground) with the compound verb EPAIRO Matthew 24:3 refers to the passage but not with the compound verb EPAIRO but just hte verb AIRO. In this case though it is not the ark that is the object fo the verb, but the people who weren’t in the ark. Now the verb just means “take” or “carry” — that is, the floods carried them away (i.e., killed them).
      And that’s our Greek lesson for the day.

      • c.kennethbauer September 19, 2024 at 1:57 pm

        I see what you are saying. I was comparing the two stories (gen 7:17 and matt 24:39) and the only mention of anything being moved “lifted” at all in the story (gen 7:17) was the ark. Then I saw the usage of [ ἦρεν ] n the LXX, and thought maybe Jesus is not referring to the people, ( like in Luke 17 where He is definitely describing the destruction of the people outside of the ark) but Noe and the ark. Because in the story of the flood, (gen 7) it is the only thing that is described being lifted/moved ( “by the water.” ) I did not want to jump to any conclusions though.

        Thank you for donating your time to explain it to me, and the much appreciated lesson in greek. I’ve been studying the language along with The New Testament.

      • c.kennethbauer November 25, 2024 at 12:27 am

        Part 1 of 2

        I am curious as to why you contend that the people are the verb, due to the EP not included, given the fact that in Genesis 7 it says it was the ark was lifted up, but nowhere in the story does it talk at all of any people being taken away by the flood, it barely mentions them at all. Gen 7:4 & 12 says it just rained and the world filled with water eventually all living things drowned. Also this explanation (that most all christians seem to share) implies that Jesus is introducing details in this story (matt 24) about the events in Genesis 7 that were not known before.

        • BDEhrman November 29, 2024 at 2:21 pm

          Sorry, I’m not sure what you mean that “the people are the verb.”

      • c.kennethbauer November 25, 2024 at 12:27 am

        Part 2 of 2

        I’m not saying I disagree with you, but I can’t get over these facts that seem to contradict the use of this verb as referring to the people, instead of the ark. The parallel in Luke 17 the people being destroyed is clear, but I feel people mistakenly apply this view incorrectly to Matt 24:39.
        In Matthew it seems, it is more inline with the story in Genesis with the emphasis on Noe and the ark. Then the part about the people not “understanding until” coming to realize the purpose of the ark Noe had been constructing being lifted them all up by the flood, avoiding the death they would soon face.
        Also fitting what occurs in 40&41 when the disciples with their knowledge of the sign of the son of man being revealed as their ark. One will be received the others, left. What do you think?

        • BDEhrman November 29, 2024 at 2:22 pm

          I’d say read in context it is clear what Matthew 24:39 is referring to with respect to those who are “taken”

          • c.kennethbauer December 1, 2024 at 6:49 pm

            The problem I see, is what I was hoping you could give some more clarity too. The context in Matthew 24:39 is the context in Genesis 7. Right?
            That story says nothing of the people being raised. Only the Ark. Matt uses similar words that the LXX uses, minus the ‘ep’ which dramatically changes the focus of the story. Something is wrong with this passage, it poses too many conflicting facts the way you, and the vast majority of people explain it, and it’s not the “rapture” version I am leaning towards either. I am not saying you are wrong, not at all. It just doesn’t add up. Not to mention the fact that it is used to prop-up other theological views that have been re-interpreted in Matters like 24:35 and 40&41. This is my main suspicion as of now, it could possibly be reinterpretation, and is that true. To me it’s all 2000 years in the past so not a big deal if I can figure it out our not, but I will.
            I really do appreciate you exhausting you’re knowledge on the subject with me it is a huge help.

          • BDEhrman December 4, 2024 at 3:19 pm

            When reading how a later author interprets a text or takes it to mean, determining what the *original* text said is (somewhat surprisingly!) not relevant. If you’re asking about whether Matthew is interpreting Genesis correctly, it’s an interesting questoin and worthy pursuing. But what Genesis really is saying, or which specific words it uses, does not provide any evidence of what Matthew is saying.

  2. MojoMan September 18, 2024 at 12:40 pm

    Dr. Ehrman, In this excellent lecture, I am reminded of the ol’ blues song by Albert King “Everybody wants to go to heaven. but nobody wants to die.”

    I appreciate your fine work in bringing the never ending array of mistaken interpretations from “students” to Religious leaders.

    I once had the real honor of meeting the late Bishop Spong. In the brief interlude we had I related that he seemed so close to letting go of religious dogma, why not just let go of it and be free? No, I am not an agent of Satan 🙂

    He too spent the majority of his life trying to make the goodness he felt inherent in scripture relevent, and meaningful for all of us. The thanks he got is that many “religous” folks on Discord immediately denigrate him as a homosexual.

    Thanks, for all you do to bring out the best in us as humans

  3. c.kennethbauer September 18, 2024 at 12:59 pm

    Also I have watched this video before, long ago. People were freed from the law by Christ, but as most people (on this topic Christians) are hollow, and in place where they could be “filled” and are not. So to satisfy this need to fill themselves up they do so by performing rituals, keeping laws etc. as a substitute so they can live and feel their faith. Religions exist to satisfy these needs by rising to the occasion of bringing God, Jesus and and the stories of bible to life to the people who seek it.

    This, of course, does nothing for the individual (especially without consent reinforcement) and raises a lot of questions because the “magic” isn’t working for them. So they seek out, in a constant never ending search for the right way to achieve the holiness that will fill them up, and you being a more independent source of knowledge and insight, provide some answers to these questions and topics that they are seeking.

    These topics are highly debated (amongst different Christian religions) so in an effort for people to satisfy their religious / theological beliefs you serve as a source of information.

    • sLiu September 27, 2024 at 3:25 pm

      “People were freed from the law by Christ”

      The Jews were freed from the law. The rest of the world was condemned. As we see in Jonah, hard be it for devout Jews to speak to others of their God.

      • c.kennethbauer October 3, 2024 at 9:48 am

        No, everyone, all humans (including non jews) was freed from the law because you no -longer had to become a proselyte to be “saved”.
        Unless you are suggesting that non-jews were not condemned before Christ.

  4. Colin Milton September 19, 2024 at 5:49 pm

    The introduction: “People want to listen to what Bart Ehrman has to say.” The background screen is killer and aesthetically pleasing. High def video. That’s why it’s so often viewed. (Theory)

  5. Moshe October 25, 2024 at 2:02 am

    It’s an entertaining lecture.

    Could you tell us all eleven questions from the pop quiz you give on the first day of class in the Intro to New Testament course?

    • BDEhrman October 26, 2024 at 4:00 pm

      I’ve posted it before, but can’t find when; I’ll repost it to the whole blog.

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