Here I resume my previous post about the biggest theological controversy in Christian history, which, to modern ears, sounds rather, well trivial. It certainly sounded that way to some of the people who were dealing with it at the time. Others thought it was a life and death matter. It had to do with who Christ was in relation to God.
To refresh your memory, the presbyter Arius of Alexandria developed his understanding of Christ in the early fourth century. In a nutshell, he thought that Christ was created in God’s own image by God himself, and so bears the title God, but he is not the “true” God. Only God himself is. Christ’s divine nature was derived from the Father; he came into being at some point in the remote past before the universe was made; and so he is a creation or creature of God. In short, Christ was a kind of second-tier God, subordinate to God and inferior to God in every respect.
Alexander, the bishop of Alexandria, was not at all pleased with this view and considered it heretical and dangerous. And so, In 318 or 319 CE he deposed Arius from his position and excommunicated him along with about twenty other church leaders who were his supporters. As a group these exiles went to Palestine, and there they found several church leaders and theologians who were willing to support them in their cause, including a figure that we have seen repeatedly in our study, the “Father of Church History,” Eusebius of Caesarea.
Before explaining the alternative view embraced by bishop Alexander, and describing the events that led up to the Council of Nicea that was called by the emperor Constantine to try to resolve these issues (in the next post), I should set forth Arius’s teachings in some of his own words. You may have noticed over the history of this blog that we very rarely have the writings of the heretics themselves. In most instances we are necessarily reliant on what the orthodox opponents of heretics said, since the heretics’ own writings were generally destroyed. With Arius, we are in the enviable position of having some of his own words, some of them in letters he wrote and others in a kind of poetic work he produced called the “Thalia.”
Although, to our regret, we do not have the actual text of the Thalia preserved for us in a surviving manuscript, it is quoted by a very famous Church Father of Alexandria, Athanasius. And it appears that when Athanasius quotes these passages, he does so accurately. I will not reproduce all these quotations, but only a few that show Arius’s particular views of Christ as not at all equal with God the Father but fully subservient to him. In the Thalia Arius indicates that:
[The Father] alone has neither equal nor like, none comparable in glory…
[The Son] has nothing proper to God in his essential property
For neither is he equal nor yet consubstantial with him….
There is a Trinity with glories not alike;
Their existences are unmixable with each other;
One is more glorious than another by an infinity of glories.
Thus the Son who was not, but existed at the paternal will,
Is only begotten God, and he is distinct from everything else.[1]
Thus, for Arius, unlike the unbegotten Father, Christ, the Son of God, is the “begotten God.” He is greater than all else. But he is removed from the greatness of the Father by an “infinity of glories” and so is not “comparable in glory” to the Father.
In a letter defending his views to his bishop Alexander, Arius is even more explicit about his understanding of the relationship of God and Christ:
We know there is one God, the only unbegotten, only eternal, only without beginning, only true, who only has immortality…. Before everlasting ages he begot his unique Son, through whom he made the ages and all things. He begot him…a perfect creature of God, but not as one of the creatures – an offspring, but not as one of things begotten.[2]
And so, Arius maintained that there were three separate divine beings – which he calls by the technical name “hypostases,” which now, in this context, simply means something like “essential beings” or “persons.” The Father alone has existed forever. The Son was begotten by God before the world was created. But that means that he “is neither eternal nor coeternal …with the Father.” God is above, beyond, and greater than all things, including Christ.
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My rather firm sense is that this view is quite compatible with what most Christians today think. I might be wrong; I’ve never seen a survey of opinion. But I’d guess most people are more comfortable with this than with the view set forth by Arius’s own bishop, Alexander. But it was declared a vile heresy.
I’ll explain Alexander’s position in the next post and then talk about the Council of Nicea that was called to resolve the issue.
[1] Translation of Stuart Hall, in J. Stevenson, ed., A New Eusebius: Documents Illustrating the History of the church to AD 337 rev. ed. W. H. C. Frend (London: SPCK, 1987).
[2] Translation of Edward Rochie Hardy, Christology of the Later Fathers (Philadelphia: Westminster, 1954).
Where do you think Paul would come down in the conflict between Alexander and Arius?
Nowhere. It would have mystified him.
Prof, do you have any views on the character of Athanasius of Alexandria? Are there any grounds to believe the ancient accounts of him personally or through his supporters committing acts of violence and murder?
I don’t have any special insights, no. The accounts from antiquity are all that we have to go on.
Well his successors successor, Cyril’s, flock I believe is recorded to have killed Hypatia for siding with the Roman Governor over Cyril for political supremacy.
That’s actually a very complicated historical situations (with Hypatia); and of course it is not related to Athanasius.
How would you distinguish Arius’ view from the viewpoint exhibited in Philippians 2?
Thanks
It’s much more advanced and sophisticated.
During my time in the church I heard many analogies used to describe the Trinity because it is such a difficult concept to explain, and my guess is that in most churches you will find a variety of concepts among the people no matter what the official doctrine of those churches. It seems to me an alternative would be to declare that the nature of Jesus and his relationship to the Father is something of a mystery that each believer should ponder and meditate on, but there is no absolute answer. As opposed to forcing one view on everyone. Are there any early Christian theologians who made such a plea: keep it a mystery to be pondered, allow some diversity of beliefs, or did they all insist that only their particular view was correct and had to be followed?
The short answer is no, that kind of diversity was not permitted. To those at the time, the arguments seemed indisputable. Among the more common ones:
1) Paganism was full of diverse beliefs. Christianity declared itself to have the sole truth about god. Allowing diversity would weaken the Church in the face of paganism.
2) John 14:6. “Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” If one set of Christians says the Son is eternal, another not, one must be correct and one incorrect. The incorrect will find the gates of Heaven shut to them — there is no other way to the Father except via the truth.
3) Ephesians 5:27. ” so as to present the church to himself in splendor, without a spot or wrinkle or anything of the kind—yes, so that she may be holy and without blemish”. The Church is without spot or blemish. Allowing false beliefs would be to besmirch the Church and offend God.
4) Once the Emperor became Christian, then to disagree with the Emperor’s belief in the nature of God was to question his judgment, equivalent to treason or rebellion.
It’s remarkable that Arius achieved the sort of notoriety that he did, given that he was pretty low down the ‘chain of command’. I have to admit that my earliest recollection of my own grasp of who Jesus was vis a vis God was probably fairly close to Arianism – and I grew up in a regular Christian family.
What it mainly takes is a large following.
Non topic related:
I’ve seen your debates about historical accuracy of the gospels.Great work,I really enjoyed your arguments.
But I think it wasn’t very convincing for Christians.
Could we use one motive from all 4 gospels to show that Jesus/authors of the gospels are telling lies?
I mean:
Mk11:23-24
Mt17:20 Mt21:21-22
Lk17:6
Jn14:12-14
Basically:whoever have faith,they can do miracles.
So if you got any believers and ask them if they are able to move mountains,trees,heal the sick or rise someone from the dead….
We should have evidence if Jesus/authors of the gospels are telling the truth.(Or that people are lying about their faith.)
Or is this type of argument not very professional?
And if you get Paul involved “person is not justified by the works but by faith in Jesus” etc.
We get an interesting conclusion:
One needs to believe in Jesus to be saved.
Believers in Jesus are able to do miracles.Nonbelievers aren’t able to do miracles…Only people able to do miracles=believers will be saved.
There are 2.5 billions Christians in the world.How many can do miracles?My guess – none… So how many will go to heaven?
What are your thoughts about it?
Is it a good enough argument for historians or good just for beer talks? Thanks.
Most people would say that being *able* to do miracles does not mean being able to do them as a whim, and that being able to do one is not the same as doing one. Plus, people believe miracles happen to them all the time. So no, I don’t think the argument will convince people. But arguments as a rule do not to convince people when their minds are made up.
Thanks and I understand what you mean.
Most people would say that they won’t do miracle as a whim – if I would ask for it of course.. But many of them already asked God to heal their sick family members and they haven’t been healed and died anyway.. That wasn’t as a whim… and Jesus statement doesn’t have fine print e.g. only if God will be in good mood, or once a week there will be a draw and the winner will get his prayer fulfilled etc..
There is only one condition – to believe..
Jesus’s words are: “whatever you ask”, “nothing will be impossible”, “You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.”
Millions are asking things and God is not doing it..
You’re right, people do believe miracles happen to them all the time, but not the one they are asking for..
Btw – why Jesus is using such a crazy example – to tell the tree to be uprooted and planted in the sea? It is not a good deed, it’s more like a Circus trick.. or a whim?
I guess because it doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that could normally happen. 🙂
> My rather firm sense is that this view is quite
> compatible with what most Christians today think.
Well, sure.
I would never presume to speak for “most Christians today”, but I think if someone raised these issues in the small, Midwestern, “non-affiliated Protestant” church where I grew up, the reaction would be something like:
“Of course Jesus is divine. But God is his Dad, so not only is He The Boss, but _obviously_ they’re different “persons”. Duh… What’s the problem? And this “Trinity” thing you keep hammering on about? I’m not real sure, but I think you want that other church over on Oak Street.”
(I know personally that when I started taking more academically-oriented classes on religion and began reading other books, I struggled for the longest time trying to comprehend what, precisely, the “Arian Heresy” was. And then one day it dawned on me that this is exactly what Mrs Brown had been teaching us in Sunday School class all those years ago.)
Professor,why is it called * Arian Controversy* when his name is Arius?
Because it’s an adjective. America becomes American and Arius becomes Arian.
No Heresy here–Bart calls the Academy Award. In a Zoom class today I asked Bart if, with his years of scholarly study, intelligence and hard work could he please enlighten me as to which movie would with the Oscar tonight for Best Picture? The only movie he responded with was…Nomadland…The movie that won! (well, he did say it was the only nominated movie he saw.) But we might be on to something here. Any predictions for the Super Bowl next year, Bart? Now, back to your comments on Heresy.
Chiefs. Now *THAT* I religiously watch…. (I watch the entire season of the NFL, but I”ve seen every single Superbowl; the first was … the Chiefs! Got whipped by my namesake Bart Starr. I was ten…)
Maybe you’ve answered this elsewhere, but I’m wondering how Arius squared this with John 1:1?
The Word *was* God. He was God and God the Father was God. But God the Father was superior to God the Son.
I was thinking about the “In the beginning… ” part , since the beginning implies, well, the beginning! If Christ was with God then, how could he have been created or begotten?
Because “the beginning” can mean “in the time before anything else was.”
Recently watched the Coen Bros “Hail Caesar!” This scene made me realize how convoluted this point of christian theology really is. Coming out of a christian background it somehow seems like an archetypal kind of arrangement but it really is just gobbligook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJEiDRi4Itc
Putting the fiasco of “first century Mark” aside, what do you think are the odds that we ever discover a first century NT papyrus?
Low. But most things that happen are improbable I guess!
“My rather firm sense is that this view is quite compatible with what most Christians today think.“
Well it is certainly what I thought having received my Christian education from that supremely authoritative institution known as Sunday School! In retrospect, would you agree there is a good dose of anthropomorphism in that phenomenon?
I suppose so…
Apologies if you plan to address this in your follow-up post, but if it was Arius who insisted that Christ was “begotten,” why does the Nicene Creed retain the phrase: “begotten not made”? Arius, as you show here, taught Christ was a separate creation from God the Father — i.e. “made.” But my understanding is that the Nicaean/Alexandrian position was that the eternal Christ had been incarnated via the impregnation of Mary by the third person of the Trinity (also co-eternal with God the Father), the Holy Spirit, and was in that sense “begotten” as a human while remaining eternally God. Hence the Niceans insisted that Jesus was “begotten” rather than “made.” Based on what you’re saying, however, why does the Nicene Creed appear to retain the Arian framing about the Trinity while supposedly refuting the doctrine?
They all agreed he was begotten in some sense. The distinction here is begotten but *not* made, not begotten in the sense of “then having come into existence” (which is what happens when children, e..g, are begotten).
Ah, so the distinction was between something like “begotten AND THUS made…” vs. “begotten BUT NOT made…” Ok that helps. Thanks!
jonas,
You’re correct in your description of the incarnation. However, the ‘begotten, not made’ phrase of the Creed refers to the eternal causal relationship between God the Father and his Son, not the manner by which that Son became human. For Athanasius and his supporters, the eternal God begot his Son ‘before all ages’ (to quote the 381CE version of the Creed). Because the Son is begotten in eternity, he is always like his Father in every way (by analogy used by the orthodox theologians, an offspring is of the same species as its parents). Hence the Son is of the ‘same substance’ as the Father. Athanasius accused the Arian party of misusing the term ‘begotten’ because, for Arius, the Son is made by God from nothing, rather than bearing a parent-offspring relationship. For Arius, the terms ‘God’s Son’, ‘God’s Word’, ‘God’s Wisdom’ as applied to the second Divine Person are purely honorifics, whereas for Alexander and his successor Athanasius, these titles were taken literally as much as such terms apply to a non-spatial, non-temporal being. So, according to Athanasius, Arius didn’t really believe that the Son was ‘begotten’ in a meaningful sense. Hope that helps.
Fishician.
Proclaiming difficult doctrinal issues mysteries means they are not to be pondered. They are not to be explained, being contrary to reason. They are to be admired and accepted because they don’t make sense. Like the doctrine of trans-substantiation where millions drink the real blood of Christ at mass every Sunday and have been doing so for almost 2000 years. Our taste buds tell us it is wine, our olfactory sense agrees with the taste buds, and our eyes say it looks exactly like wine , and our sense of touch it’s consistency is not like blood, but rather like wine. And if the priest drinks to much at the end of mass, he may feel a bit tipsy. (Does it revert to the state it was in before?)
In that vein, it is noteworthy that the risen Jesus did not say to doubting Thomas, ” My presence here is a mystery.” He asked Thomas to trust his senses.
Interesting!
The question was and is overwhelming if one begins to think about it, and even Jesus “grew in wisdom” according to Luke, which is considered one of God’s attributes, an essence, a constant.
How come the church never persecuted Judaism itself as a heresy? I know the cosmetic answer is obvious, the Jews never claimed to be Christians.
But as far as I understand Christianity saw itself as the superceder of Judaism, the fulfillment and true successor of the Israelite religion, and Christians saw themselves as technically “God’s chosen people,” especially after Matthew’s blood curse. But although there were many types of sporadic and extreme cruelties against Jews the church never undertook an uncompromising campaign to forever eliminate it like Arianism or Catharism. Nicene Christianity aimed to erase movements that rejected orthodox trinitarianism but not the largest movement that rejected Jesus’ divinity and messiahship, or at least didn’t treat it as splitters who needed to return to obedience.
It’s a big question so forgive me if it’s an unfair amount of ground to cover, I just don’t know how a Nicene Christian can see their church as the only legitimate successor to the religion of the Israelites without concluding Judaism’s a heretical offshoot of Yahweh’s true religion. It’s an absurd idea for us today but I don’t know how someone in the 4th century can adopt that mindset without eventually reaching that conclusion.
Well, Christians often did persecute Jews; it’s the entire history of anti-Semitism, and obviously goes back much further, starting especially in the fourth century and anti-Jewish legislation as early as the emperor Constantine. One terrific account is James Carroll, Constantine’s Sword (it traces the entire history). You’re right that there were extreme cruelties, and these were far worse than anything done to, say, Arians. And on numerous local levels, there definitely was an attempt to be purged of the Jews.
“I’ll explain Alexander’s position in the next post” … I don’t think Alexander has been mentioned again, but perhaps what you planned to say is more or less the same as what you said on February 17, 2016.
I have noticed that different Christian denominations have different attitudes to the Trinity, for example in some churches it is common to pray to Jesus, whereas in others you pray to God.
I’m not sure what 1 Corinthians 15:28 means (“when all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to the one who put all things in subjection under him, so that God may be ______”) but it sure seems to contradict the idea of three equal persons co-existing for eternity.
I”ve talked about him and his views occasionally on the blog, including earlier this month: here’s a kind of synopsis: https://ehrmanblog.org/the-council-of-nicaea-and-the-resulting-view-of-christ/
Not sure how I missed that in my search…
Bart, first of all, THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNBIASED WORK! – quick question: I read somewhere that “although premillennialism finds slightly earlier development (especially in Irenaeus, A.D. 130- 202), theologian Donald G. Bloesch notes: “Postmillennialism was already anticipated in the church father Eusebius of Caesarea” (A.D. 260-340).” –– can you confirm that? and if this claim is correct, knowing Eusebius was an Arian, do you think it’s safe to say that Arius was also Postmill? Or do you happen to know of any hymns/writings he taught that alludes to Postmill?
I’d say the terms pre and post-millenialism don’t make a lot of sense in the ancient context. They are modern ways of interpreting Revelation, not ancient categories.
ahh i see…makes sense. One more question that’s been itching my mind…considering that the theologian who first coined the term “the Trinity” was Tertullian (written in 213 AD to explain and defend the Trinity against the Monarchian heresy), and he said: “For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole” (source: “Against Praxeas”, Chapter 9). <–– doesnt that sound like Arius' view? If so, is it safe to say that Tertullian agreed with Arius' view on Yeshua?
Thanks again for your time!
Arius had a more sophisticate dnad developed view, but he is much more closely aligned iwth Tertullian than his orthodox opponents who flat-out denied any subordinationist understaanding.
beautiful…thanks a lot Bart. Really appreciate your work! Hope you have a great a weekend.