Over the years I’ve said a lot about the New Testament, usually showing its manifold and various problems. But at most that’s half the story, and probably a lot less. There is something far more important: once you realize there are problems with a literal or historical reading, there is still the STORY. And the story can be quite powerful. Like all good stories, those of the New Testament can and should make us think and reflect. These are, at any rate, some of the most famous, influential, and life-changing stories in the world, not necessarily because they are historical (some are, some aren’t) but because they have a message to convey.
One of the most powerful and paradoxical stories involves Jesus’ birth in Matthew 2. He is born in Bethlehem and wisemen astrologers from the East realize that something of cosmic significance has happened. It is proclaimed in the heavens. They follow a star to where the King of the Jews has been born and come to Jerusalem to make inquiries. The Great King Herod hears about the wisemen, calls them in, learns what they know, finds from his Scripture scholars where the future king is to be born, and sends the wisemen along to Bethlehem to find the child with strict instructions to return and tell him so he too can go and worship the child. But they learn in a dream not to tell him, and when he realizes they have gone home another way, he sends out his soldiers to kill every boy two years and under in Bethlehem and the surrounding area. It’s a very ugly ending to an otherwise rather lovely tale. A lot of biblical stories are like that.
When I discuss this account while wearing my historical-critical hat, I talk about the plausibility of Jesus being born in Bethlehem, of stars that guide astrologers, of a star that stops moving over a city, and then over an actual house, of Herod the Great fearing the birth of a child, of him slaughtering all baby boys two years and under (when there is no record of it), of the contradictions of this account with what we find in Luke, and of other things. But it would be a HUGE mistake to think that once we settle all these implausibilities, we are done with the story. There is still the story.
The story teaches a lesson we still need to hear. What kind of king do we want? One who comes in order to serve others, who is destined to provide help for those in desperate need, or one who doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself and his own power, willing to slaughter the innocents in order to make sure he stays in power? Any modern reader of the story should realize that this is not describing an event that happened. It is describing an event that happens.
On one hand you have the future king of the Jews, who relinquishes all his divine power in order to “save his people from their sins.” People have horrible lives, often of their own doing. This future king is willing to give up everything he has for the sake of helping others. In fact, as the reader already knows, this king is willing to sacrifice his life for others. Not just by dying of old age but by being publicly humiliated and tortured to death. This king will teach people to love others as themselves, to do what is right, to provide for those in need; and he models his teaching by how he himself lives. That is the nature of his rule, a rule of service.
And the other king? He is a brutal tyrant who pretends to be pious and godly. He claims he wants to know where the child is so he “too can go and worship him.” It’s a bald-faced lie. This king is nothing but lies. He doesn’t want to worship the child: he wants to destroy it. He cannot stand anyone who, but himself, will have power and authority. Any threat has to be demolished.
As a powerful king he is convinced that he is both above all law and above any standard of morality and right. When the king realizes he has been deceived, he acts in sheer vengeance. What have the innocents of Bethlehem done to deserve this? Nothing, obviously. They are potential threats and so they need to be exterminated. They, their mothers, their fathers, their family members, and anyone else with any decency be damned.
Throughout the history of the world, we have seen this kind of king on offer. They become the king of the Jews or the king of the Romans or the king of the Germans or the king of – name your modern country — because they know how to manipulate power and do so to promote their own purposes, working desperately to convince their subjects that their purposes serve the people’s purposes, when they couldn’t care less about their people. They want the power and the glory, world without end.
But according to this story, when that end comes, they will not triumph. The baby Jesus survives. He survives not to overthrow the regional or imperial authorities. He survives to fulfill a greater mission, to suffer and die in order to provide salvation for others. He conquers through defeat and rules by serving.
Most people will see this paradox as horribly naïve and nonsensical. But Matthew, and other biblical authors, insist that it’s true, that good will prevail, and that all of us have to choose which side to take in this short life of ours, which kind of ruler we want to serve. Do we side with the one who risks and then loses his life in order to help those in need, or with the tyrant who is bound and determined to do whatever it takes to retain his wealth, power, and fame, even if it means harming others?
It’s a stark choice. For those who observe Christmas, which do they prefer: the child who willingly gives of himself or the tyrant who ruthlessly takes what he can?
In Lord of the Rings, Aragorn is not recognized as king of Gondor because he’s a great warrior or grand strategist. He is recognized because “the hands of the king are the hands of a healer, and so shall the rightful king be known.” It is not wars that the world needs, but healing.
This beautiful, powerful post is a fine gift this Christmas morning! Thank you.
Well said.
Happy Holidays Dr. Ehrman.
“There is something far more important: once you realize there are problems with a literal or historical reading, there is still the STORY. ”
Thank you… I am hoping to get to that place where I can also realize that beyond the textual problems… there is still a valuable and powerful… even maybe transformative STORY! I am hoping it doesn’t take too long.
A question that I do not think was addressed in the Christmas Story seminar: I believe that Luke adds the detail about there not being room at the inn, and Jesus being born in a manger. I understand the motivation to create the story about a trek to Bethlehem, for the sake of getting things to align with their perception of the prophecies, but why create the Inn story? It is a brilliant touch, in hindsight, for emphasizing their being somewhat outside of the broader society, but is there any pre-existing tradition that this is absorbing? And a very Merry Christmas to you and yours.
It may be to emphasize Jesus’ connectoin with poverty — also adumbrated int he story of the shepherds — a big issue in Jesus’ ethical teachings specifically in Luke.
The KJV says “no room” for them at the inn, while “NRSV” says “no place,” which might be interpreted as no place for poor people. I suppose it might be practical to assume that there would have been no room if we accept the broader claim that lots of people would have been travelling for the sake of the rather dubious census. It is certainly a rather humble birth, at least until the appearance of a multitude of angels. (Of course, the angels are said to appear to the shepherds, and not really augment the scene at the manger.) In any case, it is interesting to see how a somewhat cohesive story is cobbled together from separate accounts, and how much detail is added to fill in, and how the “improved” version becomes its own kind of fixed tradition sustained by a new kind of oral tradition (supplemented by paintings and creches). The oral tradition was presumably stronger in an age when many/most could not actually read the Bible accounts as they really were.
Intersting point. The word is literally a “place” but I suppose most of the time a place in the inn suggests a room” (Just as for us a place at the table suggests a chair?)
Interesting Dr. Ehrman. Now as an atheist you can deliver a great message with strong sermonic shades, I’m wondering how powerful your full fundamentalists messages should have been back when you were a pastor!
Well, yes there’s a story, say inaccuracies suspended momentarily. But the main character Jesus is having trouble figuring out what his mission actually is. Overthrow the bad foreign government or save mankind from sin by getting killed torturously? Throughout the gospels, these 2 themes overlap a lot.
So, my take is that, even if we were to remove our historical critical hats for a while, and look at the story exclusively, the message is still obscure and confusing to be honest.
What do you think about this contention?
I think there are lots of stories in the NT, and they are not the same; I don’t know of any of them though that propose that Jesus wanted to stage a military coup of some kind. In all four Gospels, his goal is to die, I would say.
If his goal is to follow the symbolism of Isaac and like the Lamb of the Sacrifice be sacrificed, then the question of “Whose Avatar?” or “Which Son?” should be asked. In building the linkage of Abraham to Brahma, Sarah to Saraswati and Isaac (and Ishmael) to Isha (as a name of Lord Shiva) we then ask why this particular association with Laughter in the Genesis story — we do!!
https://www.kamakoti.org/kamakoti/brahmandapurana/bookview.php?chapnum=4
The sacrifice as the “Lamb of God” is traced by Matthew — did Matthew introduce the thorns(the lamb is from a thorny bush) and the Mountain and the two donkeys along with Passover as well? if so, Matthew pursued the sacrifice symbology fully. But at birth, it is the Mosaic symbology followed with the killing of the babies by a tyrant.(and there is also weeping hence) Now the arrival from “the East” of Magi who are like the angels who announce the birth of Isaac, although angels also appear to Joseph and Mary.
This willing death of Isaac as the sacrifice of Abraham(the equivalent of the Sky Father Brahma) can be seen to represent the parable of the story of Jesus Christ.
If his goal was always to die — to lose, or at least appear to lose — what, then, do you make of Jesus in Luke 22:35-38, where he tells his disciples, “Let him who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one.” This has long puzzled me. “They said, ‘Look Lord, here are two swords.’ And he said to them, ‘It is enough.’ ” I once heard N.T. Wright claim that by “enough” Jesus was saying “That’s enough talk of swords.” But Jesus himself had raised the subject of swords, so why would he say “that’s enough” talk about it? Or was he saying “if we have an army of angels behind us, two swords will be enough”? Or, “With two swords we can fight and lose, and then they can torture me and kill me.” ?
I don’t think there’s a really good answer, it’s a very difficult passage. But given teh fact that he himself urges them not to fight and doesn’t put up a fight himself (especially in Luke), I don’t think it can mean, “That will be enough to defeat the Romans” (especially given, well, “two” swords?!). So yeah, may be it’s “that’s more than enough; you’re not gonna need ’em anyway” — or something like that. But why is he telling them to “buy one”? I think it must be an indication by Luke that the followers of Jesus can expect to face violence once he goes. I dno’t know — it’s such a strange passage.
Kenneth Bailey, who lived in the Middle East, argues that the Greek word often translated into English as “inn” is the same word Luke uses for the “upper room” of the Last Supper: “kataluma,” whereas Luke’s word for the Good Samaritan’s inn is different: “pandokheion.” Explaining how peasant houses of the time included space for the animals under the same roof as humans, just at a lower level — he makes a strong case that Luke meant the guest room [“kataluma”] was full, so Jesus was born in the general room, swaddled, and placed in the manger there.
e.g. Bailey, “The Manger and the Inn: A Middle Eastern view of the birth story of Jesus.” https://pres-outlook.org/2006/12/the-manger-and-the-inn-a-middle-eastern-view-of-the-birth-story-of-jesus/
Searching just now, sounds like the first English version to use “inn” was Tyndale’s in 1520 — when he translated the Latin Vulgate’s “diversorio,” which has a broader meaning than “inn.” One blog mentions that Arabic translations of Luke don’t use the idea of an inn. To me, Bailey has a persuasive & attractive case which reads easily in the text — Luke says Jesus is born among the hospitable poor…. neat!
It’s a widely used word. Bailley was (is?) an interesting fellow; but he based his understanding of biblical texgts on what he learned about MIddle Eastern culture from living there 2000 years later. I don’t think we would probably try that in America or, say, Britain, France, or Germany….
Very true! …tho Bailey did believe much has remained the same. Thanks for the information that “kateluma” could commonly be used as “inn.” I see that google translates it in today’s Greek as “accommodation”?
Curious about the upper room, I see interlinears showing that Luke says Jesus instructed Peter and John “to say to the owner of the house, ‘The Teacher asks: Where is the “kataluma” where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?’ He will show you a large ‘ἀνάγαιον’ [upstairs room], all furnished.”
If it’s true that peasant houses at that time included space for animals, Bailey’s take does seem a reasonable one, makes the story read smoothly… but it sounds like you think Luke was more likely thinking of something like an inn and separate structure for the animals….
Maybe the author of Luke wasn’t even familiar with Palestinian peasant homes when he either composed the story or retold a tradition
like Bailey’s : )
Thank you so much for the feedback… but most especially for “Which King?” !!!!!
I had the impression that people living in houses inside Jerusalem did not normally have farm animals with them (since they were city folk). But I may be wrong about that. The private houses I”m familiar with in urban settings at the time had the ground floor as a shop of some kind, and then rooms up above. I haven’t really looked into that before, though; maybe someone else can tell us. But apart from that, I think Luke had no clue what life was like on the ground in Israel at the time, other than that it was a lot like it was everywhere else in the world for the most part.
I hadn’t thought about the obvious difference between a Jerusalem and a Bethlehem “kataluma”! Thanks!
I’m noticing that biblegate’s online NIV reads “placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them,” whereas my 1989 NIV has “there was no room for them in the inn.”
Eduard Schweizer [my old commentaries] wonders if the story could intend that the couple withdrew from a crowded relative’s home to a free-standing structure for animals in order to have privacy during the birth. ….If one tries to inhabit the story, a free-standing stable could help the shepherds locate the savior — wouldn’t have to inquire at every house, just check the stables if tiny Bethlehem had such : )
….I forgot to include in my “reading” note that I love the picture of Dr. Ehrman hanging with Homer in the rosy-fingered dawn….
Ah, Schweizer. He had lots of creative ideas.
Beautiful and powerful!!! Thanks!!!
Jesus was a false apocalyptic prophet who led and leads people astray.
1) Apocalypse: Tribulation, Judgment by the Son of Man, and Glorious Rule on Earth
Jesus only gave us the Tribulation of the Jewish Revolt.
It was false that all would be judged and the wicked would stop, unable to be saved for the Glorious Rule on Earth.
2) Led astray from Yom Kippur. God forgives. People forgive each other (memorialized in Mozart’s Marriage of Figaro, Contessa forgives husband who isn’t as forgiving).
3) Paul and Jesus gave us the metaphor of cannibalism and in the gospel of John, this meal is pushed beyond metaphor (For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. … From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him). “Any Israelite or any alien living among them who eats any blood–I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people. I have given the blood to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar [not human sacrifice].” Leviticus 17: 10-11
See Ps 27: 8, 106: 38, Jer 19:3-9, Deut 28: 49-57, Lam 4:10
Yes, value personal salvation.
Reference: Exodus 1: 15-16
Bart
[Herod the Great] sends out his soldiers to kill every boy two years and under…
When I discuss this account while wearing my historical-critical hat, I talk about the plausibility of Herod the Great slaughtering baby boys (when there is no record of it). Herod the Great of the Matthew story cared only about himself and his own power, but Jesus, the future king of the Jews–
Steve Campbell, author of Historical Accuracy
did not become king in any practical sense of the term and, at Luke 19: 27, also called for the death of those who did not wish him to be king. That is not a contrast to Herod in the same story. Herod, through his patronage to the Diaspora was not just king of Judaea, he was king of all Jews–King of the Jews. Herod wanted to emulate King Solomon, result: Herod’s Temple. Jesus did not preserve that religious aspiration.
Being king was in the context of the Roman Empire. A client king of Judaea would give gifts and support to his imperial patron.
For practical purposes, have a preference for Herod the Great who had royal court experience.
“What kind of king do we want? One who comes in order to serve others, who is destined to provide help for those in desperate need, or one who doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself and his own power, willing to slaughter the innocents in order to make sure he stays in power?”
Neither. We should want a king who is so enlightened that he would seek, first and foremost, to abolish the monarchy since it is the institution that not only entrenches and romanticizes inequality, but also breeds the messianic herd mentality that conditions us to expect a king-like figure to save us, rather than uniting and working together as a people to help ourselves.
“Ni dieu ni maître !”
I agree! 🙂
Merry Christmas 🙂
quote:
On one hand you have the future king of the Jews, who relinquishes all his divine power in order…
He survives not to overthrow the regional or imperial authorities. He survives to fulfill a greater mission, to suffer and die in order to provide salvation for others.
were those powers easily accessible ? christian theology says they were. i can imagine a greater god than the christian one, the god pindu completely relinquished his divine powers and is existing as the earth and bearing all the sins taking place on it until the earth perishes, and then he gets his pwrs back. christian theology says that the person of jesus was “fully god” on earth, so i don’t think they believe the power was relinquished , how was floating on water taking place?
jesus survives because the father requires that his rule on sin require a bloody and violent blood sacrifice, if jesus did not do this, the father status would be in dishonour. after jesus does his act, the father saves him and will punish violently all those people who are currently suffering on earth. we all currently suffering.
Brilliant *story* that emerged. I am reminded of,Angela Merkel, former German Chancellor of some 16 years, who, in my view, is one of the least heralded leaders, commited a humanitarian act of compassion that I/many will never forget. She allowed over one million migrants,mostly from Africa, to come into Germany and claim asylum/refuge. She was vehemently opposed by her country. She was asked to resign, but never flinched.Memorably, she was asked,” How can we take care of these people,it will cripple our resources and economy”, emphasis added.In a calm humble manner, she exclaimed,” We will manage”. Ironically, her decision proved to be a worthy benefit,both economically and socially, for the country. She went on to win two more elections as Chancellor,in record numbers, and resigned earlier this year, seeking not to run, when many think she would of won a record fifth time. Her leadership never swayed, never seeking hubris, like many counterparts, never seeking the spotlight always leading her country in making good sound decision, listening to good advise from those whom she trusted and without a doubt, one King i would choose to follow. Humility was at the core of her actions. Great leader.
She truly practiced her Christianity.
Dear Prof. Ehrman,
Merry Christmas!
The Gospel of Matthew introduces new elements that are not in the Gospel of Mark and they represent the “so-called” Eastern Connection. Jesus, like Moses, and Sri Krishna, is now a Divine Child Foretold, whom the evil King wants eliminated, including by killing all the Children in the Land. This is an Eastern Story. Sigmund Freud in Moses and Monotheism, implied that Moses was like Akhenathan, the son-in-law and spouse of Tushratha(Suryavanshi). Similarly, Jesus is the Divine Child.
Further Matthew introduces the Isaac-Jesus Typology. Isaac is “the Son”. Like Isha, or the Lord Shiva. When Lord Shiva(Isha) was born to Brahma and Saraswati, he cried, but Ishak son of Abraham and Sarah, induces laughter!! This is done to distance from the Ba’al (Baal literally means son). The Isaac-Jesus typology is then tied to the Isaiah prophecy also. Jesus is the “Lamb of God” per Matthew. And taken in a donkey to fulfill the typology.
https://vridar.org/2011/11/29/matthews-jesus-crafted-from-the-story-of-isaac/
Another aspect is the Apocalyptic Jesus — Jesus dies in a Mountain of Skulls!!(Golgotha). This is the Kankalamurti — https://hindupad.com/kankalamurthi-gangalamurti/
Jesus is seen returning on the Day of Judgement after the Apocalypse. The contradictions are only there
for the literalists!!
Here’s the thing…. If the good king is going to survive and thrive, all who oppose him — the wealthy, the powerful, the evil, the ones with the swords, spears, and arrows — have to be destroyed, or else they’ll rise up and destroy the good king who seeks only to serve his people. And that’s what God was meant to do, right? Except he didn’t and hasn’t. If Jesus’ death has taught us anything, it’s that there’s always another tyrant, supported by his countless evil minions, waiting in the wings. So what now? Neither the evangelists nor the church fathers who succeeded them give us any good answers… unless we choose to read Jesus out of context and do our best to make love, service, and concern for others our priority here and now: each of us a local king. Merry Christmas!
Thank you Bart for making a good Christmas even better!
You mentioned before that the birth narrative in Luke is not original to Luke. Do you think it was added as a sort of second edition or is it a scribal addition? Also, do you think the birth narrative in Luke is in reaction to Matthew’s birth narrative?
I differentiate between a “scribal alteration,” for which we would have some evidence in one manuscript or another and an “editorial interpolation” for which there is no manuscript support (it’s a thin but important line). So, I think it is a later edition that may or may not have been written by the original author, whoever that was. I dno’t think the author was responding to Matthew (I don’t think he knew Matthew; there’s certainly no evidence he did); my hunch is that he added the chapters since he had heard these stories and wanted to emphasize through them that Jesus was actually *born* the Son of God, not “made” the son of God at the baptism.
So it looks like there is a common “ancestor” or tradition for the birth narratives in Matthew and Luke. That’s really interesting. I know there is a reference in Jewish sources of Jesus being the son of Pantera (a Roman soldier?). Do you think the common birth tradition in M and L are in response to this rumor, polemic, ( or fact)?
I’m not sure there was a common “narrative” behind the two accounts, though certainly there was a common theme: born to Joseph and Mary, a virgin, in Bethleheem. The stories themselves, however, appear to be independenty. My sense is that the Pantera legend arose later, a polemical understading of Jesus beong born from Parthenos (a virgin). It may be, though, that the virgin birth stories themselves arose in response to claims that Jesus had the usual unusual birth, out of wedlock.
Pilate: Now, Jewith wapscallion.
Brian: I’m not Jewish … I’m a Roman!
Pilate: *WOMAN*?
Brian: No, *ROMAN*.
(But he’s not quick enough to avoid another blow from the
Centurion.)
Pilate: Tho, your father was a *WOMAN*. Who wath he?
Brian: (proudly) He was a centurion in the Jerusalem Garrison.
Pilate: Oh. What was his name?
Brian: Nortius Maximus.
Biggus Dickus….
Perhaps even more interesting that these two stories are independent of each other but have such a similar theme. I certainly can see the differences. My conclusion then would probably be that these independent birth narratives must have both used similar OT scriptures as a foundation for these two independent stories? Am I on the right track with that? M is going to more explicitly reference those OT scriptures but L (and or the L community/tradition) must have likely used/saw the same OT scriptures as a foundation?
Not sure if you’ve done this: but make a detailed list of what happens in Matthew in sequence, then do the same for Luke, and compare the lists. Some people tend to see similarities and others differences, but I just don’t see many similarities except the very major themes: Mary and Joseph; virgin birth; Bethlehem. My sense is that the stories originated as independent elaborations of these basic themes.
Happened across a blog highlighting Michael Goulder’s “Luke,” which argues that Luke changed Matthew to fit his own themes.
Blog lists Raymond Brown’s list of similarities:
Parents’ names Mary and Joseph, engaged or married, not yet living together;
Joseph a descendant of David;
Angel announces future, to Joseph in Matthew, Mary in Luke;
Mary had the child without reations with Joseph;
Conception through the work of the Holy Spirit;
Angel prescribes name;
Angel declares Jesus will be Saviour:
Child born after parents start living together;
Birth in Bethlehem:
Realm of Herod the Great;
Grows up in Nazareth.
https://vridar.org/2020/06/18/where-did-the-stories-of-joseph-and-mary-come-from/
The additional themes Goulder sees & Luke’s possible motives are quoted extensively, e.g.
“In Matthew God brings a company of strangers, magi, leading them by a star rising in the sky; in Luke God brings a company of strangers, shepherds, summoning them by his angel, and the multitude of the heavenly host….”
https://vridar.org/2014/09/15/how-and-why-luke-changed-matthews-nativity-of-jesus-story/
The skeleton of parallel topics does seem extensive to be happenstance. Schweizer doesn’t see how Luke could have had Matthew but omit Sermon on the Mount etc… Maybe birth stories were circulating, Luke saw the one Matthew eventually used, and chose or composed the “poverty” one….. Fun wondering : ) Thanks so much!
Merry Christmas! As an ex-believer I still enjoy the Christmas story, for just the reason you so nicely explained.
Each Epiphany our SS teacher tells the story of the Christmas star, drawing on astronomical arguments, complete with retrograde motion…. rejoicing that once again the Bible is confirmed….
Sort of gets your mind away from the Story….. I stay busy thinking it’s probably not literally true. Love your telling!
Off topic: I just saw an article that the New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition of the Bible is now available in digital format. The name is getting silly.
At some point, maybe they need to stop adding descriptors and just call it Standard Version [date].
One thing I have never quite understood with the story of the Magi in Matthew, if the star was guiding them to the degree of accuracy that it was able to point them to the correct house, how did they end up in Jerusalem?
It stopped and restarted apparently!
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Point well taken,just as a sidenote,
in Bertolt Brecht’s ”life of Galileo”
Andrea says to Galileo: ”unglücklich
das land das keine helden hat”.
(unfortunate the land that lacks
heroes).Galileo’s reply is: ”unglücklich
das land das helden nötig hat”,
(unfortunate the land that has need
of heroes).
I personally don’t know of any land or
nation that can be exempted from
above statement but I do know that
you can come up with a better
translation of German phrases.
Thank you Dr, Ehrman for putting the “emphasis” on the right “syllable”.
Regardless of an individuals belief (Christian or other) we all need to be inspired to encourage, to support and to live a life helping others and supporting leaders who lead for the good of the people.
The story, as you presented it, is very powerful. No one in their right mind would chose a tyrant who commits infanticide to preserve his power. A divine being who would send his son to be sacrificed to save others from a horrible fate is, in some senses, admirable.
The problem is that this divine being did a lot of other things that are not admirable at all. In several instances he commanded “his people” to commit genocide against peoples who were just trying not to be driven from their homes. In at least one of these cases he excepted the virgins of the land just so they could be given over to the Jewish soldiers. This same god tolerated slavery. The perfect son who died for our sins cursed a fig tree for not bearing fruit out of season. i could go on, but the direction is clear.
So yes, the story you told is powerful, but it is powerful out of context, and everything should be considered in context.
Yup. But I would say this story was put *into* this context by whoever organized the Bible; the author was simply telling this story.
My sense is that the best context for it is his own narrative — not the other biblical books someone later joined it with.
I love this post, very interesting to hear what positive significance these texts still hold for you. Do you think that the historical Jesus, regardless of the apocalyptic or messianic claims he was making as well, had a truly profound ethical message to tell? Or was the “ethical part” of his preaching more or less the sort of ideas that were floating around in the religious movements of his day? In other words, do you think there was something truly revolutionary and original about Jesus actual preaching, in terms of his ethical vision and how to deal with unjust rulers and unjust equals?
I think his ethics were profound. But most of his teachings were similar to what could be found in other teachers. That’s true of the profound messages of Martin Luther King Jr. and Desmond Tutu and Mohatma Ghandi as well, I’d say. They speak truth to their own times, in very profound ways.
Happy holidays or Merry Christmas, depending on what you celebrate (or don’t)!
I just joined, and the timing is perfect because the Massacre of the Innocents was one of the biggest factors in my becoming an atheist. Not only did I think this story was not plausible historically, but personally I wouldn’t have wanted it to be so.
Dr. Ehrman’s post, however, sheds some light on why one could see this as something besides a story of God concocting a plan that needlessly leads to a king murdering millions of kids. Instead, it can be seen as God sending his son to defeat and ultimately take the place of that king, and other earthly kings, who would do such a thing.
I still don’t think it’s a particularly nice or convincing story—there’s probably a reason this aspect of the Christmas story isn’t commonly featured in hymns—but after reading this post, I have a better understanding from an expert as to why some believers could draw meaning and inspiration from it.
I’m really looking forward to learning more about the history of the New Testament and its interpretations from Bart’s posts as well as the discussions in the comments.
Dr Ehrman, what are your ideas as to the origin/s of the Magi & star story? Created out of whole cloth by “Matthew”? (maybe reaching for Moses in Egypt associations) Stories that grew up around Jesus? Amalgamation of folk stories from many cultures? Thank you for all your years of meticulous research!!!
It’s usually thought to be an implicit fulfilment of Scripture, Numbers 24:17.
What do you think of the Star och Bethlehem? Is it meaningful to speculate about astronomical events such as a comet, a planetary conjunction or a supernova? Or is it just example of first century folklore, where each person has his/her star, and a king must have an extravagant star?
Given the way it behaves, it appears to be pure folklore. No astronomical phenomena can explain it (stopping over a house!). It is apparently meant to be a fulfillment of Numbers 24:17.
Thankyou Prof Ehrman for this reflection. It underscores the value of stories generally and that the nativity accounts, like much of the other biblical narratives, fit the literary definition of myth – stories likely to be fictional (which misses their point – the wrong question to ask) yet they are intended to be a frame of reference for understanding and a vehicle for deeper truth & meaning. It seems to me that it is a very thin line between this man-made beneficial aspiration and the seeds of idolatry which many of the biblical myths teach against?
The next important question to ask is WHY do we do it – invent, curate, preserve & pass on such myths & stories? There must be psychological & societal benefits involved. Jung & others considered this. All very worthwhile topics to ponder and then to live in the light thereof. Thankyou again
I think we are constructed to resonate with stories, since we see our own lives and very existence as stories.
Yes, and consequently the stories are constructed to resonate with us, as we collectively / societies evolve. (Making God in our image, who makes us in his?) I think your previous work re memory feeds into this too (our human capacity to want & need memory, & how subjective our memory is) and we also wish to reduce insecurity about the future. Note this human obsession with predicting it – anticipation can be stressful! From these stories of the past we want to interpret the present chaos & know that everything is going be OK tomorrow! (Even if for some that means inviting destruction & suffering beforehand. 🙁 Cross reference your next re Revelation & what many have made of it!!)
“Any modern reader of the story should realize that this is not describing an event that happened. It is describing an event that happens.”
Thank you for this. You express exactly (for me at least) the paradox of looking for and finding deep meaning in the bible, even after one has ceased to believe in literal readings.
When I first started reading this, I thought you were contrasting the different versions of Jesus found in the Synoptics vs. John. To my disillusionment, I know which one Evangelicals in my region prefer. (Hint: it’s not the humble self-sacrificing one).
Excellent post brother!
It’s pretty clear that the kings of this world are nothing like the Jesus we read about. Especially the kings of the most dominant Zionist nations that are ALWAYS at war (e.g. U.S., Israel, etc.).
It seems they will stop at nothing to achieve their goals for dominance over the fiat monetary systems of all the nations.
Whether it’s “combatants” or innocent women and children at the receiving end of their weapons of mass destruction, they don’t seem to care, so long as it gains them more power, money, and control.
Thanks for finding something positive in this whole nativity story. Your approach would make for a good evangelical Christmas sermon, nice and uplifting. Unfortunately, in the real world the Herods win and the Jesuses lose, and we are left to romanticize and proclaim victory for the loser. The false narrative gives false hope and our world continues to flounder on 2000 years after this divine intervention by our sovereign, all-loving, all powerful God. Three cheers for the Christmas story!
Yup, the Herods win and teh Jesuses get crucified. Yes indeed. But I ain’t gonna root for the bad guys, or let those who do call themselves followers of Jesus without being challenged on it.
Dr. Ehrman, what would you estimate was a safe amount of time passed in antiquity with which to create a narrative inconsistent with actual history? Here we have a tremendous stretch with Herod’s Massacre of the Innocents. Given the general dating of Matthew, this fiction could have been believed inside one hundred years time?
I don’t think there’s a time limite in either direction, just like today. Someone can misquote a person or misrepresent something that happened thirty seconds earlier; someone thirty years later could get it right. In antiquity, most people didn’t think much about the time gap between an event and the source reporting it.
That’s a related point. I’m curious whether there was any pushback in antiquity when such high levels of fiction were associated with someone of such renowned. Josephus, for example, does not mention Herod committing infanticide but the story makes it into biblical canon?
I don’t think the people organizing the canon were overly interested in the writings of Josephus. And what we may think of as fiction seems to other people as absolute historical fact — even today (and of course in early Xty.)
Dr. Ehrman,
I know that you consider Peter to be Jesus’ lead disciple. For those who are skeptical about the historicity of the Gospels, is there any other way of knowing this? i.e. Gal. or any other of Paul’s letters? Or are the Gospels a must for this, and those who are skeptical about this are just being too extreme?
In our earliest sources Peter is mentioned only in the Gospels, Acts, Galatians, 1 Corinthians, and 1 and 2 Peter; but in all of them he appears to play an unusually prominent role in the life of Jesus.
Dr. Erhman, What is the relation between The Nazarenes as an early Christian sect, or as a jewish sect, and the fact that Jesus supposedly came from Nazareth. Is it the same thing? I have heard the argument that Jesus was called “of Nazareth” because he was a Nazarene, not because he came from Nazareth, the geographical place. Or was it an early way to call the Christians because they followed a guy who came from Nazareth?
Do you mean that he was called “of Nazareth” because he was a Nazirite? The Nazirites, in the OT, were Israelites who took a special vow of purity, never to cut their hair, touch a corpse, or drink wine. But the term Nazirite is not related to the term Nazareth or Nazarene. (It just looks like it should be in English; the Hebrew letters given as “z” are different in the words.) “Nazarenes” are a Jewish Christian sect that are not mentioned by any source until Epiphanius as the end of the fourth century, so 350 years after Jesus’ day; nothing suggests they existed when he was around.
Dr. Ehrman,
Do you think that Paul is being tongue-in-cheek about his “mystical experience” in 2 Corinthians 12? Scholars generally don’t think that this was his conversion experience, and so could it possibly be just a way of responding to the over-realized eschatology of the Corinthians? i.e. you’ve had visionary experiences, but so what? I’ve had them too, nothing actually to boast about. What are your thoughts on this passage?
I think he is describing what he took to be a genuine spiritual experience.
Dr. Ehrman,
How did people in the Bible have visions such as those that Paul describes in 2 Cor. 12? Did they put themselves in some sort of mystical trance when they had these experiences, perhaps under the influence of a substance, and think that it was a communication from God?
Similar visions are described in the books of Daniel and Ezekiel and Revelation. We don’t know what was actually happening to the people who claimed to have them, if anything.
“a star that stops moving over a city, and then over an actual house”
I tackle this question at great length in my reply article:
Star Stopping Over a House?!
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2022/03/ehrman-errors-9-star-stopping-over-a-house.html
Excerpt:
The Greek “adverb of place” in Matthew 2:9 is hou (Strong’s word #3757). In RSV hou is translated by “the place where” (in KJV, simply “where”). It applies to a wide range of meanings beyond something as specific as a house.
In other passages in RSV it refers to a mountain (Mt 28:16), Nazareth (Lk 4:16), a village (Lk 24:28), the land of Midian (Acts 7:29), Puteoli (Pozzuoli): a sizeable city in Italy (Acts 28:14), and the vast wilderness that Moses and the Hebrews traveled through (Heb 3:9). Thus it can easily, plausibly refer to “Bethlehem” in Matthew 2:9.
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The Bible never states that the star “stopped over the house.” I also note the Bible’s use of phenomenological language. We talk today about “following the sun to the west” or escaped slaves following the Big Dipper north. Moreover, I discuss retrograde motion of planets, which could account for Jupiter “resting” over Bethlehem, and the fascinating fact that the wise men were AWARE of retrograde motion, and thus could have described it in phenomenological language.
You may want to read it in Greek. It literally says that the the star “stood over where the child was” and seeing it they rejoiced and then went into the house.