Steefen there is no response I could make to you that you would ever find satisfactory. Can’t you understand why I would rather spend my time doing stuff I enjoy than replying to you? I have stated as clearly as I can why I don’t think we have been visited by extraterrestrials. You reply with collections of breathless anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims.
Claims are not evidence. Claims require evidence. No matter who makes the claim.
Is there really any point in me continuing?
Comment 21
The point in continuing with or without you is
there is evidence.
And that is where you are in error.
There is evidence:
Garry Nolan is the Rachford and Carlota A. Harris Professor in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine. He has published over 350 research articles and is the holder of 50 US patents, and has been honored as one of the top 25 inventors at Stanford University. He specializes in groundbreaking cancer and immunotherapy research.
Garry is also a world-renowned UAP investigator and Executive Director of the Board at the Sol Foundation, one of whose unofficial mottos is: Science, Policy, and Public Education for a Post-UAP World.
In this episode, Robinson and Garry discuss the evidence that aliens exist and have already visited Earth
The evidence is that aliens exist and have already visited Earth
Steve Campbell
Author of Historical Accuracy, March 2021
Jesus is Decius Mundus who sacrificed himself for the world (Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.4)
referencing Decius Mus, the son who sacrificed himself for victory, 295 BCE (History of Rome, Books 8-10 by Livy)
The biblical God does not evidence creating and ruling across all ancient advanced civilizations on Earth.
P.S.:
From the video’s outline in timestamp form:
00:24:08 What Is the Definitive Proof for Aliens?
00:32:46 Interdimensional, Ultraterrestrial, and Time-Traveling Aliens
00:48:20 Could Intelligent Aliens Have Come to Earth?
00:57:13 Does Extraterrestrial Life Need Air and Water to Live?
02:17:56 Garry’s Top Secret Clearance
02:27:15 The Truth About the Tic-Tac UFO Incident
02:37:25 What Is the Skywatcher UAP Contact Program?
03:02:03 What Are Transmedium Alien UAPs?
03:06:31 On Avi Loeb’s Pioneering UAP Research
03:12:49 Is Jacques Vallee One of the Most Important Alien Researchers?
03:18:17 What Should You Tell Someone Who Doesn’t Believe in Aliens?
Jacques Fabrice Vallée is an Internet pioneer, computer scientist, venture capitalist, author, ufologist and astronomer currently residing in San Francisco, California and Paris, France. His scientific career began as a professional astronomer at the Paris Observatory.
I believe there is a machinery of mass manipulation behind the UFO phenomenon. – Jacques Vallee
Steefen:
Okay, rewrite Atrahasis.
Memo 6751—often called the Hottel Memo—is one of the most frequently cited official documents when people discuss possible government acknowledgment of UFOs or extraterrestrial beings. Here’s a structured analysis of its relevance and limitations:
📝 Summary of Memo 6751 (The Hottel Memo)
Date: March 22, 1950
Author: Guy Hottel, then-head of the FBI’s Washington Field Office
Recipient: J. Edgar Hoover, FBI Director
Subject: Report from an Air Force investigator
Content:
Claims that three flying saucers were recovered in New Mexico
Each contained three humanoid bodies about three feet tall
Beings were dressed in metallic cloth resembling high-speed flight suits
The discs were said to have crashed due to interference from radar equipment
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According to the cosmology you’re referencing (Robert Edward Grant and Aon/The Architect), the beings of Sharamu, Lemuria, and early Atlantis were not Homo sapiens sapiens in the modern biological sense. They were pre-sapiens, pre-densified, or even non-physical in composition. The genetically engineered humans created by Enki, Belet-il, and the sacrificed Igigi were a later species, one that belongs specifically to the material Earth cycle—essentially, they were the first true Homo sapiens sapiens in our current evolutionary timeline.
Genesis doesn’t account for Sharamu, Lemuria, or Atlantis. It starts with densified Adam—which correlates much more closely with post-Anunnaki genetic humans.
Genesis does not gel with Plato’s Timmaeus and Critias.
Bible Scholars, we have a problem.
Bible Scholars, we have a problem.
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The first edition of Historical Accuracy did not have a Genesis section.
The second edition of the book does have Atrahasis.
Nice to bring in Sumer.
But editorial advice from Plato says: “Account for me.”
Timaeus and Critias tells us A divine origin of rulership through Poseidon, who fathered ten sons by a mortal woman, Cleito
Homework: Discover Poseidon + Cleito.
What other author of bible investigation, other than me, questions Genesis for not including Atlantis?
Immanuel Velikovsky
Suggested global catastrophes and lost civilizations missing from Genesis. Didn’t name Atlantis, but fits the pattern.
Dr. Michael Heiser
Questioned literal readings of Genesis and acknowledged older Mesopotamian source material.
John Lamb Lash, Mythologist, author of Not in His Image
Criticized Abrahamic texts for erasing older Gnostic and prehistorical traditions (some include Lemuria/Atlantis).
Edgar Cayce
Claimed many souls in the Bible had reincarnated from Atlantis; Genesis was a limited version of history.
Graham Hancock
criticizes Genesis for failing to preserve global flood memories like those of Atlantis.
David Flynn, Christian researcher
Proposed pre-Genesis civilizations and questioned canonical omissions.
L.A. Marzulli, Christian author
Suggests Genesis leaves out much—he speculates on an antediluvian world, sometimes tied to Atlantis.
Traditional scholars agree that Genesis is not a historical narrative in the modern sense—thus possibly omitting civilizations such as Sharamu, Lemuria, or Atlantis.
So, the creation chapters of Genesis are NOT historically accurate–do not present an accurate narrative.
We can’t have book burning of Plato’s Timaeus and Critias.
Again, Plato: Account for me if you want to write a book about the historical accuracy or a better second edition.
Steefen:
Okay.
In Greek mythology, Cleito is a mortal woman who becomes the wife of the sea god Poseidon. They have ten sons together, including Atlas, who becomes the first king of Atlantis. The story of Poseidon and Cleito is foundational to the myth of Atlantis, with their union and the subsequent flourishing and fall of the island civilization central to the narrative.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
Cleito’s Lineage:
Cleito is the daughter of Evenor and Leucippe, who were prominent figures in the land that would become Atlantis.
Poseidon’s Love:
After the death of Cleito’s parents, Poseidon falls in love with her and marries her.
The Ten Sons:
Poseidon and Cleito have ten sons: Atlas (the eldest), Eumelus, Ampheres, Evaemon, Mneseus, Autochthon, Elasippus, Mestor, Azaes, and Diaprepes.
Atlantis’s Origin:
Poseidon reshapes the island and makes it a powerful kingdom, naming it after their eldest son, Atlas. The island flourishes under the rule of Poseidon and Cleito, with their sons becoming the first rulers of Atlantis.
The Fall of Atlantis:
Greed and corruption eventually take hold of the Atlanteans, leading to a decline in their civilization. As punishment, Poseidon sends Atlantis to the bottom of the sea, effectively destroying the island.
Andrew J. Peters’s Novel:
The story of Poseidon and Cleito is also the title and subject of a fantasy novel by Andrew J. Peters, exploring the rise of Atlantis and the relationship between the sea god and the mortal woman according to Andrew J. Peters’ official website.
This video explains the context of Poseidon’s relationship with Cleito and his role in the story of Atlantis:
In Greek mythology, Poseidon was not created, but rather born as the son of the Titans Cronus and Rhea. He is one of the six children of Cronus and Rhea, alongside Hestia, Demeter, Hera, Hades, and Zeus. While Cronus swallowed his children to prevent a prophecy, Rhea hid Poseidon (and sometimes Zeus) to save them from this fate.
Cronus was created by the primordial deities Uranus (Sky) and Gaea (Earth). He is one of the Titans, the offspring of Uranus and Gaea, and is known as the youngest of the twelve Titans.
Hesiod, in his Theogony, is the first known author to write about Cronus and Gaia. The Theogony, composed around the 7th or 8th century BCE, is a foundational text in Greek mythology that details the origins of the gods and the universe.
Get thee to a library, Steefen:
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“Readers who have no previous knowledge of Hesoid will find this an extremely accessible book, written in such a way that the non-specialist will be able to read, follow and enjoy these works. This is in part due to Professor West’s excellent translations and partly due to his real and profound interest in his subject, which is further reflectd by a most informative and useful introduction.”–The Greek Rreview
“So much better than the corresponding Penguin translation of Hesiod. The introduction is splendid.”–P. Walcot, University College, Cardiff
Comment 29 and 30
As you probably can tell, I had to ask myself, Will the Grays and the Reptilians get discussed in the second edition of Historical Accuracy? Are these two (Grays and Reptilians) more important than the extraterrestrials you already have in Sumer with the Anunnaki who bio-engineered human beings?
With or without the Grays and the Reptilians, the Anunnaki have Nibiru as their home planet, making them aliens.
It’s probably not a good idea to post this response, discretion being the better part of valor and everything, but I did promise.
Garry Nolan is the Rachford and Carlota A. Harris Professor in the Department of Pathology at Stanford University School of Medicine. He has published over 350 research articles and is the holder of 50 US patents, and has been honored as one of the top 25 inventors at Stanford University. He specializes in groundbreaking cancer and immunotherapy research.
See Steefen’s post #22.
Dr Nolan reminds me of my Uncle Edward. Uncle Ed was an electronics engineer by profession. He learned his trade in the Air Force and turned it into a successful private business career. In all things hard-nosed and pragmatic. (Uncle Ed got bored one Sunday afternoon and rewired his own house just to have something to do.) Except for one thing. He was absolutely convinced that the Space Shuttle launches disturbed the world’s weather. If the subject came up he would go on and on about it. It became a sort of family joke. People would even bring it up intentionally to set him off.
My point? Just because a person has expertise in one field does not validate every opinion they have. Dr Nolan is clearly an expert in his own field of medicine and an astute businessman. But that doesn’t mean his UFO claims are any truer than if they were made by a zany standing on a street corner.
There is an informal logical fallacy called an “argument from authority” or an “appeal to authority”, colloquially defined as maintaining that a claim is true simply because an authority figure supports it. But in fact all appeals to authority are not invalid. If I say that the consensus view among New Testament scholars is that Mark was the first gospel written, that is not an invalid appeal to authority. It’s simply a statement of fact. The vast majority of scholars who know the field best have come to a conclusion.
But, if I say renowned New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman believes in ghosts and therefore I do, then that is an invalid appeal to authority. Prof Ehrman is a NT expert but his claims about ghosts require the same level of reasoning and evidence as his NT claims. (Actually there is a witty idiom in academia, “Academic on Holiday”, which signifies someone who speaks outside their area of expertise.)
At this point as far as I can tell a UFO “expert” is simply someone who spends a lot of time talking about them.
Now my Uncle Ed’s mania was harmless. He genuinely believed what he said. But watching this video my internal skeptical alarms went off several times. So much so that I am not convinced that Nolan is really honest about his claims. He continually went out of his way to wrap his UFO claims within his past experience as a scientist and businessman. His first anecdote was about the debunking of the so-called Atacama mummy, claimed to be an alien body until it was subjected to analysis by experts. He admits he had nothing to do with the actual analysis and his relationship to the debunking is ambiguous at best. (And I want to hear more about the accusations of fraud by the Chileans.) But he’s clearly using this story to establish his skeptical bona fides in an apparent attempt to mitigate incredulity at his later more fantastic claims. See, I’m not a credulous believer! You can trust me about the interdimensional ultra-terrestrials!
I will credit his admission that he has no physical evidence he could lay down in front of a skeptic. So all we wind up with are anecdotes and unsubstantiated claims augmented by constant invalid appeals to authority. Does he really believe it? Who knows?
Call me when you have a piece of technology that can be demonstrated through rigorous objective examination of form and function not to be possible by current earth science. How about a sample of alien DNA? Send it to John Hopkins for examination. Why doesn’t an alien ship just land on the National Mall in DC? When you ask these kinds of questions then the conspiratorial whispers start! Shadowy government agencies, mysterious cover-ups, ominous disappearances etc etc etc. Please!
I have been fascinated with astronomy and space exploration my whole life. I have been equally fascinated with the UFO culture. Unfortunately for my fantasizing I have also been fascinated by science. Why obsess over phony mysteries when there are so many real mysteries?
Ultimately I have the same response to UFO claims as I do to religious claims.
No second-hand revelation! I must end by quoting the words of Blessed Saint Thomas the Doubter (pbuh), patron of all skeptics.
Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
Steefen! For God’s sake stop watching YouTube! Read a frikkin science book for a change.
Look my friend this stuff is really damaging your brain. I worry at the millions of Americans who don’t know how to evaluate a claim, when to suspend judgement, when to question. We live (and frequently it seems, drown) in an ocean of information. It has never been more important to have training in skepticism and logic.
With so much easy access to information and knowledge there is simply no excuse to fall for this crap.
I have explained my objections to the idea of the earth being visited by aliens up above. I would love for you to critique my logic. These videos are just wasted motion on your part.
Tell me what YOU think. Let’s have an actual conversation. Absent that, I’m done.
You have nothing valuable to contribute to the Atrahasis discussion.
You have nothing valuable to contribute to what China and the United States are doing on the dark side of the moon.
And Robert said you were so intelligent. I do not see it.
You cannot win a debate against Atrahasis and bio-engineering.
You have nothing valuable to contribute to the Atrahasis discussion.
I know a little bit about ancient Near eastern mythology. What is it you wish to discuss?
You have nothing valuable to contribute to what China and the United States are doing on the dark side of the moon.
I know a little bit about current efforts at space exploration, both peopled and unpeopled. What are we doing on the dark side of the Moon? How do you know?
And Robert said you were so intelligent.
He’s easily impressed. I do admit to a certain charm. Don’t you think so?
You cannot win a debate against Atrahasis and bio-engineering.
Can YOU explain what YOU think that debate consists of? In your own words I mean. As short as possible please. I’m not very intelligent.
Stephen said
Tell me what YOU think. Let’s have an actual conversation. Absent that, I’m done.
Obviously, it’s up to you, but I do think that would be a wise move.
Not saying that a real conversation wouldn’t be of interest – it would! However, I certainly don’t see that coming. Instead, I foresee, if my prophetic powers are in working order, a further barrage of pseudoscientific videos, which if I understand the rules shouldn’t be posted in the first place. Of course, if one happens to dare object to such videos, one will be accused of making an ad hominem attack on the crank who made the video as well as somehow insulting the person who posted it.
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