In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
The heavens (the galaxies in space-time) have more planets than there are grains of sand on the earth.
Atrahasis, Genesis, and Federico Faggin [consciousness plays a role in the quantum world] must align with the facts if they are not already aligned with the facts:
There are technologically advanced beings beyond the current advanced civilization on Earth.
There are more than one quadrillion planets in the universe.
We are not embracing the nonsense that Homo sapiens sapiens are alone in a universe of not just one quadrillion planets, but 10 septillion planets, if not 2 octillion planets.
I leave that bullsense behind me.
I should not have to had to hear it or have any administrator support it.
… as IF the credentialed testimonies in the documentary did not support the FACTS.
and watch the documentary even as the ending credits roll.
Storyline of Documentary:
Moment of Contact is an exploration of extraterrestrial encounters, this one centered on a series of events in 1996 when citizens of Varginha, Brazil, reported seeing one or more strange creatures and a UFO crash. A number of locals, including a group of girls ranging in age from 14-21, had a close encounter with a being described as about 4 feet tall, with brown oily skin, a large head and huge red eyes.
Steefen:
Yes, Roswell was 1947.
This is Braxil 1996, 1996.
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8 of 10 stars on this documentary: Moment of Contact
First of all there are many witness reports from ordinary humble people that gives this an authentic feel to the documentary.
In 1996 an alien spacecraft crashes in the area.
Three girls stand within 8 feet of a small alien creature that was seen cowering and afraid.
What’s interesting is the Alien does not make a telepathic connection with the girls. In the 1994 Ruwa UFO incident in Africa the Alien made a telepathic connection with the children. The physical description of the aiien was also slightly different which makes me think that there are different types of Aliens visiting Earth.
The solider who carried a sick alien to the hospital had a terrible reaction to his immune system and died a few weeks later. Could this be why Aliens don’t make physical contact?
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Steefen
The solider who carried a sick alien to the hospital had a terrible reaction to his immune system and died.
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The alien itself seems less physically impressive than a human being. If anything we appear to be physically superior in many ways.
The doctor who performed X rays on the alien gives testimony.
We have a solder give confidential testimony on seeing the alien in the hospital.
The alien was next sent to a military base.
An air traffic controller confirms an American military plane flew into the military base under a covert operation. The plane stayed only moments to collect the alien then flys away.
Everything happens very quickly and within 1 – 2 days of the crash the Americans have seized control of this creature.
We finally meet the main witness from back in 1996 who is too afraid to give testimony and threatens to shoot the film crew.
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9 out of 10 stars
I’m now a believer!
I’ve always been sceptical about aliens visiting earth, or that the evidence of their visits has been concealed by our governments, although I have remained open to the possibility that my belief may be wrong.
Having watched this documentary, I can honestly say I’ve changed my opinion.
There are too many independent witnesses, giving very similar descriptions of the events surrounding this encounter, for it to be idly dismissed. All of them convincing and many of whom held key, or professional positions at the time. This cannot be coincidence and you have to base your beliefs on the evidence presented, even if that means changing your opinion.
This documentary has convinced me enough to make that change . I’m now a believer!
Robert at Comment 57:
No, Steefen, I think he’s simply dismissing your authors and sources as not worth his time, not credible, etc, and presumably that its pointless to discuss these matters with you.
Steefen
Your insulting comments speak for themselves, Robert.
Comment 45, Stephen called me Mr. Conspiracy Theory ! ! ! What an insult ! ! !
You said, taking up for Stephen, my sources are not worth his time–so easily dismissive.
It is not pointless to discuss these matters with me.
I’m a reporter and an editor, etc. The discussion is with the content, not me.
That poor guy who carried the alien to the hospital
carried the alien to the hospital
later died.
Extraterrestrials are not myth and the number of chromosomes in Homo sapiens, sapiens is not a dismissive myth.
Stephen:
I think my logic still stands.
Steefen:
It does not.
It did not and with the extra documentary evidence (two documentaries), it does not.
In both documentaries, people were threatened/promised severe punishment for sharing knowledge.
That is conspiracy in action–conspiracy against search for truth, transparency.
I am not a Mr. Conspiracy Theorist–I’m not conspiring to keep people silent. I’m not espousing a theory. The man carried a non-human to the hospital, got infected, and died. The U.S. swooped in and took the evidence. Then the guy is so scared to talk he would shoot the documentary film crew. So, people can continue saying, we are alone in a universe of more than one septillion planets. You wouldn’t be saying that if key evidence wasn’t confiscated.
Steefen, the better part of my nature advises me to simply refer you back to my post #21 in this here very thread. But after that you replied with the interview and asked for a response. I did so. I watched the video and replied as clearly as I could about my problems with it. As Robert has pointed out, any response to you other than complete agreement is apparently going to be greeted as an insult.
I have never attacked you personally. (I don’t know you.) My jibe about “Mr Conspiracy Theorist” was simply to point out the irony of you accepting a government account when it seems to agree with your views. I have tried to demonstrate as clearly as I can why I think your opinions are profoundly mistaken. Why post opinions or videos if you don’t want an honest response? But you don’t even argue. You simply post another video as if at some point we’ll just “get it”.
If I could have one wish granted it would be that people could understand why a truth claim is not evidence. A truth claim requires evidence. A video or book full of personal anecdotes is not evidence. Why is that so hard to understand? But then my family in Georgia, what’s left of them, still thinks that if they keep quoting scripture at me one day the heavens will part and the light will break through.
As far as the Varginha Incident specifically, there was an official investigation by the Brazilian military. The report is online but it is in Portuguese which is beyond me. Unfortunate because I would dearly love to read it.
Here is a skeptical evaluation of the incident.
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Stephen versus Former Deputy Assistant Secretary Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon
Stephen thinks Black Budget funding is a myth also?
Stephen gets a denial article and thinks he’s proven something.
If someone says you will have lethal consequences if you tell the truth that same person could not get someone to write a denial piece?
If there is a Black Budget PROGRAM/agency, that agency has money for P.R.: write a denial essay.
Here is a third documentary:
Storyline:
This documentary examines unidentified aerial phenomenon. With testimony from high-ranking government officials, and NASA Astronauts, Senator Harry Reid says it “makes the incredible credible.”
10 out of 10
Recently converted skeptic
I’ve been a science guy all my life.
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Steefen:
The Drake equation is a probabilistic argument used to estimate the number of active, communicative extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way galaxy. It was formulated by Frank Drake in 1961 to organize the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI). The equation is not meant to provide a definitive answer, but rather to highlight the factors that influence the possibility of finding other intelligent life.
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A little over 20 years ago I worked the Drake equation with numbers that seemed pretty reasonable to me and came up with N a bit less than 1, meaning that the odds were, we were alone in our galaxy and that other life probably exists in other galaxies, but we’re alone here.
I caught the David Fravor episode of Joe Rogan Experience and that really kinda did it for me.
The thing about this documentary is that the vast majority of the witnesses are sober, serious, credible people.
Generals
naval aviators
presidents
senators
defense department officials
missile launch officers
etc.
These are not easily excitable whack jobs. What is abundantly clear
abundantly clear
is that they are out there. They are also, for the most part, not interfering.
Here’s my theory on it: They made a huge display of force and a “hey, here we are” back in the early 50s.
Then Roswell happened, and the government started trying to suppress discussion of it to the point where it became fringe, “whack-job” seeming territory.
The “visitors” probably decided that we’re not ready for them and backed off.
Here’s the thing: I think as a species, we’re desperately in need of help.
I think we’re on the fast track to extinction.
According to a 2010 Nature article, since 1950, 40% of the phytoplankton in oceans has disappeared due to ocean heating and acidification. Phytoplankton accounts for half of our oxygen supply and it’s quickly disappearing. The other half of our oxygen supply is rapidly being burned to the ground and we have an addiction to oil that’s making all this worse. And this isn’t our only problem.
We have lots of them. Nuclear waste, biological weapons (and the capability now for anyone with a few tens of thousands of dollars, to build custom viruses. How long until a psycho biologist wipes us out?). We’re doing a lot of things wrong and I think most of us feel overwhelmed by the problems and I think as a species, we’re overwhelmed and don’t know how to fix these things. We should ask them for help. They’re clearly not here to hurt us. Maybe they’re just waiting for us to ask the question. I think the UN should send a signal out, doesn’t matter where. Just broadcast. They’ll get it. If they’re inclined to help they will. If they don’t, we’re no worse off. But if nothing else, maybe us asking for help will also be us admitting we have a problem and that may be a big help too.
9 out of 10 stars for the documentary, The Phenomenon
A Profoudly Clear Picture of The Evidence Supporting Alien Visitation
James Fox and his associates have delivered the best UFO documentary to date with “The Phenonmenon”.
It’s a linear journey with ample supporting historical sightings and excellent witness corroboration.
Though you likely have heard of many of these they are simply better presented here.
There are also some you likely never heard of too. They go together quite well.
You have big statements such as Senator Harry Reid’s bombshell revealing
the bulk of what the government actually knows is still tightly suppressed and he knows enough to say this.
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Steefen:
Christopher Karl Mellon (born 1957 or 1958) is an American former Department of Defense and United States Senate civilian staff member whose career from 1985 to 2017 focused on defense and intelligence oversight.
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Christopher Mellon flatly states he is 100% certain we have been visited and there is proof yet to be disclosed.
What really is appreciated is the somber seriousness of this documentary. We get, perhaps, in one film the best and most compelling witness testimony gathered together in one place. That makes this film really rise above the whole UFO phenonmenon as a kind of leveraging tool which should spur, finally, some real groundbreaking disclousre. In the mean time this will do as striking proof that, yes, we are not alone.
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Again, I ask you:
Stephen
or
Christopher Karl Mellon (born 1957 or 1958) is an American former Department of Defense and United States Senate civilian staff member whose career from 1985 to 2017 focused on defense and intelligence oversight.
@Stephen
Are you a former or current Department of Defense staff member?
Did that career of yours last more than 10 years?
I need to bring this with Atrahasis back to The Holy Bible.
QUESTION: How does the existence of UAPs and extraterrestrials challenge the religious beliefs of Christians?
SHORT ANSWER:
The greatest challenge UAPs/extraterrestrials pose for Christians isn’t whether God could create other beings—most Christians would agree God is limitless—but whether Christ’s role, humanity’s special place, and doctrines of sin and redemption extend to them.
This could lead to three main responses:
Exclusivist – Christ’s salvation is only for humans; aliens are irrelevant or demonic.
Inclusivist – Christ’s redemption is cosmic, covering all beings (known or unknown).
Pluralist – Other intelligent beings have their own relationships with God, possibly even their own incarnations.
QUESTION: Which denomination is most against extraterrestrials and UAPs, why, and how are they positioning themselves on this?
SHORT ANSWER:
The denomination most opposed to extraterrestrials and UAPs is Evangelical/Fundamentalist Protestantism, because ETs threaten:
the literalist biblical framework,
the exclusivity of Christ’s incarnation, and
their eschatological worldview.
They are positioning themselves by preemptively framing UAPs as demonic deception—folding the phenomenon into existing spiritual warfare and end-times narratives.
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While Evangelicals weaponize UAPs against their apocalyptic theology
Catholics (through the Vatican Observatory) openly speculate on ETs as part of God’s creation
Mainline Protestants often see it as an opportunity to expand theology.
The thing about this documentary is that the vast majority of the witnesses are sober, serious, credible people.
Generals
naval aviators
presidents
senators
defense department officials
missile launch officers
Black Budget Program hiearchy
etc. (like torpedo recoverers)
versus
Stephen and his one article
Steefen: I’ll side with 1) the private sector and the Black Budget Programs, 2) the intelligence agencies, 3) government disclosure/transparancy hearings, and 4) the military, 5) the competence and credibility filmed in the three documentaries by James Fox, and 6) Atrahasis and the science of chromosomes in Evolution.
For what its worth:
Edgar Cayce’s readings include references to extraterrestrial life and beings, specifically mentioning Arcturus and other civilizations. He spoke of Arcturus as the most advanced civilization in the galaxy and a gateway to higher realms of consciousness, according to a Wikipedia page on Arcturians. Cayce’s readings also touched upon the idea of other dimensions and the potential for contact with beings from different worlds.
Stephen thinks Black Budget funding is a myth also…
No, I’m afraid your govt wastes billions on nonsense like Golden Dome, some of it publicized some not. Nobody but nobody wastes money like the DOD.
The thing about this documentary is that the vast majority of the witnesses are sober, serious, credible people.
People see flying objects they can’t identify all the time. That doesn’t mean they’re spaceships.
We’re doing a lot of things wrong and I think most of us feel overwhelmed by the problems and I think as a species, we’re overwhelmed and don’t know how to fix these things. We should ask them for help.
This precisely describes what’s behind the UFO phenomenon. Religion. Save us, oh Space Brothers!
We’re on our own. Space Jesus ain’t coming.
Are you a former or current Department of Defense staff member?
Even if I had knowledge of such a mission I would be unable to discuss it.
Did that career of yours last more than 10 years?
Do you have a secure line?
Add Reply: Multiple Space Jesuses: What’s the Problem?
Post73:
QUESTION: How does the existence of UAPs and extraterrestrials challenge the religious beliefs of Christians?
Post78:
War machines will replace religion and God.
The Serpent Seed (offspring of Eve and the Serpent) survived the Flood by living underneath the oceans like water-snakes. The Nephelim (offspring of Angels and humans) survived the Flood by returning to the heavens as extraterrestrials in UFO vessels. The Sons of Serpent have UAP vessels (underwater), the Sons of Nephelim have UFO vessels and the Sons of Noah have Noah’s Ark (above-water). The Sons of Noah will have to defeat both the Sons of Serpent and Sons of Nephelim in a war that can only be won by discovering all the secrets of superhardcoreTorahnumbers beyond One.
ANSWER: don’t worry about it.
Some guy here to help solve mysteries of the universe. Author of a book called “A book to read.”
Why post opinions or videos if you don’t want an honest response? But you don’t even argue. You simply post another video as if at some point we’ll just “get it”.
A video or book full of personal anecdotes is not evidence. Why is that so hard to understand? But then my family in Georgia, what’s left of them, still thinks that if they keep quoting scripture at me one day the heavens will part and the light will break through.
Yes, those in possession of the truth merely need to declare it. What’s to discuss?
It brings to mind the time in which a friend and I were leaving a local mall where we’d been witnessing. In the parking lot, we were approached by a Moonie, who began give her particular spiel. Now, I can only imagine that the last thing she was expecting was that she was going to be witnessed to. She got scared and began to scurry off. As she did, I was on her tracks shouting out Acts 2:38 (the key to salvation according to Oneness Pentecostals) as if just hearing those words would be enough.
Stephen:
This precisely describes what’s behind the UFO phenomenon. Religion. Save us, oh Space Brothers!
We’re on our own. Space Jesus ain’t coming.
Steefen:
I’m no longer looking for Jesus nor his Paw-Abba to come.
They didn’t shut down Judas nor beyond identifying Jesus with a kiss, didn’t shut down the Jewish authorities who turned him over over for crucifixion.
He didn’t come during the Jewish Revolt.
He didn’t come during the Holocaust.
He didn’t come during the current genocide. He didn’t come for Ukraine (more than a million killed).
He didn’t come on 9/11 and he didn’t come and recall the injections when the VAERS report numbers kept increasing.
So, here you go again making up nonsense.
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